MSC vs. MTP

If not using music services or downloading music but only putting artist folders full of mp3 files on clip, is it better to use MSC? Would that help resolve the familiar tagging problem I see posted and have emyself encountered?

Mainly all I want to do is have artist folders and mp3 or wma songfiles and select and play them. No other features like podcast, record, even FM radio are used. But in MTP it is hard to get them to show up the way I want, ie, unknown folder names, songs from a folder placed in different folders, and such.

Thought if in MSC it work like a PC drive and be easier and perhaps work like a drive.

I will try this with a few folders but I wonder if any other pros or cons form other users.

@bbrev7 wrote:

If not using music services or downloading music but only putting artist folders full of mp3 files on clip, is it better to use MSC? Would that help resolve the familiar tagging problem I see posted and have emyself encountered?

Mainly all I want to do is have artist folders and mp3 or wma songfiles and select and play them. No other features like podcast, record, even FM radio are used. But in MTP it is hard to get them to show up the way I want, ie, unknown folder names, songs from a folder placed in different folders, and such.

Thought if in MSC it work like a PC drive and be easier and perhaps work like a drive.

I will try this with a few folders but I wonder if any other pros or cons form other users.

MSC does work like a PC drive. BUT you will still have taging issues. The Clip and every other Sansa product (As well as players made by all other major manuafcturers) navigate by Id3 Tags embedded in the file. So no matter what method you use you will need to have the tags done properly. SanDisk is working on it but no timeframe has been set, I would guess that this ability is harder to create than we would think.

Guess I will just leave it set to Auto USB then if no real advantages.

Sometimes i can get the proper files in proper folders, most of the time in fact. Then they get mixed up in different folders or named Unknown for reason I have not yet determined. Dont have endless time to fool with it, but just have to try things piecemeal and keep coming back to it. Probably because I dont understand the basics and details of tagging and working with it in the first place.

@bbrev7 wrote:

Guess I will just leave it set to Auto USB then if no real advantages.

Sometimes i can get the proper files in proper folders, most of the time in fact. Then they get mixed up in different folders or named Unknown for reason I have not yet determined. Dont have endless time to fool with it, but just have to try things piecemeal and keep coming back to it. Probably because I dont understand the basics and details of tagging and working with it in the first place.

The folders they are in are irrelevant to the Clip. Tagging is not hard. There are some pretty easy programs to use, that take little to no time at all. Mp3tag is a great one. Using it I was able to tag my 102,000 song collection in about 12 hours (Over about a week just playing with it while I was sitting in front of the TV). That includes album art and genre ans everything else. Getting your stuff tagged right will stop the UnKnown classification.

Thanks. I just formatted and put 41 folders with 193 songs onto my 8 GB clip. Only one song is in own folder but with proper folder name because I copied it out of another folder by same artist. I dont use album names, only Artist/TrackSongname.

I do have mp3Tag which I downloaded. I think I will try to tag it so it shows in same artist album as the one I originally copied it to. I guess if tag says so the clip just makes a folder as tag says, or Unknown if no tag folder. Think Im beginning to catch on.

Another thing - If I cut>paste all the folders out of Music folder so it appears empty, is it REALLY empty, or do I still need to Format? Thought there might be things not seen but there.

Possibly. Go to “My Computer” Right click on the Clip and go to properties and see if it looks pretty much empty. Some space will be used for your Firmware and the database that tell the clip how to navigate.

@bbrev7 wrote:
Another thing - If I cut>paste all the folders out of Music folder so it appears empty, is it REALLY empty, or do I still need to Format? Thought there might be things not seen but there.

If you’ve had the USB as auto-detect then you probably should format, because it’s easy for stuff to be hidden. That is why you should pick either MTP or MSC and stay there…the Auto just plain sucks

OK - I’m dense. Need help with mp3Tag.

Have file in window. Assume it is  03 Songname.wma.

In box to left the Titlebox is blank. The Album and Artist box say the same thing. Assume both say AAAA  and AAAA.

Now I want to change tag to

BBBB  and BBBB. A different word. Same as the other songs in the Music folder it was copied into.

Not sure how to do this. I typed the name in album and artist box as I wanted it. But then did ot know how to apply it.

When I tried it just went back like it was.

To get the file in first place, I cut>pasted from clip onto desktop. If I can make tags the way I want them I will copy it back to where it was and see if it shows in same album with others instead of unique album.

But what if anything do I type in the Title box, and how do I Enter, Save, or Apply, or whatever to make it take effect??

Can someone help me here?

About the USB I didnt realize this, so i will change it to MTP instead of Auto.

Make the changes that you want to the file and then click the litte button in the top corner that looks like a floppy disk.

Message Edited by Conversionbox on 03-13-2009 12:21 AM

OK - I see. Help NOT needed now. I was doing it wrong by trying to change without removing current tag. First you have to delete existing tag, then type in the tag you want, the use Save button in the bar. I did this, then checked properties of the file and it was correct. Then copied it back to Music/Artist folder. Now clip displays it with the rest in one album and not in its own album.

I like mp3Tag and think it will help a lot. Thanks for all the tips. Now most if not all of my issues have been solved. Never had or experienced mp3 player until 1 month ago. This forum has helped immensely.