no one was talking about a TRUE line out or at least I’m pretty sure I wasn’t. they wanted audio/line out, and as I said, headphone is an audio out. yep you even quoted me on it: "in terms of audio line out . . . " and “that IS an audio out”. where did I say anything about TRUE line out? can you honestly tell me you can hear the difference between the headphone jack and the prioprietary jack? and no, if you have no amp, sound is not going to be louder. the name amplifier also assists its definition. your not going to get a louder signal with no amp compared to something that is through an amp, unless you go through an external amp (car stereo, docking station). given the signal is cleaner, but I’m sure the amp on these devices have been fine tuned to not perform any overloading or audio clipping at average listening volume dB. and lets be realistic here … . ALL audio passes through an amp, otherwise you could barely hear it. ever pass audio straight to speakers without an amp? ever seen monitor speakers not have an amp?
when you talk about these consumer devices, don’t bring pro audio definitions or expectations. if your going to talk about “true” audio out with these devices, maybe you shouldn’t be buying them instead of pro audio gear, but find me a pro audio gear with no amp, and I’ll definetely be surprised.
if your going to to do an amp to amp setup, you turn the first amp down (mp3 player) and the second amp up (car stereo) as needed. if its not enough than you turn the first amp up. but I promise you, you won’t notice the amount of signal lose your thinking of, cause I’ve tried this with my car stereo and clip. I mean what do you think your computer setup is? your computer has an amp, and it goes to your speakers which also has an amp.
I hope you weren’t trying to start a debate which I had no intention about starting to begin with, but in my defence I don’t liked to be snuffed at for no apparent reason, so this is my dog’s bite back. I’m here to help those who need solutions and answers, not debate about the individual concerns related to the quality of these devices based on their understanding of how it should or shouldn’t work or be. leave that for Sansa, who design these players and believe me, they’ll ignore you when you talk about unecessary topics like what you just brought up about “true” audio out.
just my two cents to the dollar, and I don’t normally like to argue, but who can resist a good brawl!
Message Edited by thoma on 05-02-2008 03:27 PM