Clip+ No 96 kHz / 24bit FLAC playback?

I could not find any tech specs anywhere…

I have some professional/audiofile music files in FLAC 96 kHz 24 bit format.

These are professional recordings from MFSL vinyl LPs and original recording from my Korg Oasys PCI synth.

None have any DRM.

When I try to play them on the Sansa Clip Plus they get skipped. No error message. It just skips through them.

I know the files are OK. They do play through my media streamer when I connect the Clip+ through USB to my NAS.

Is there anything I can do to play these on the Clip+  like installing Rockbox, using .wav files, or is this a hardware limitation ?

On that aspect, why is there no tech specification anywhere (bitrate, resolution etc.

Seriously, there should be some tech specs in the manual…

I guess I’ll have to recode these to lower quality - But WHAT is the best the Clip+ supports in terms of sample frequency and bitrate?

24 bit files are not supported. Only 16 bit. I believe Rockbox will play them, but converts them to 16 bit on the fly.

Thank you for the fast reply. OK. So I should be fine to go with 96/16 format? or is 96 kHz not supported either?

Pity about 24 bit not being supported. It does add a lot of dynamic range to music.

O well, can’t expect too much from a mobile device. 44.1 kHz @ 16 bit FLAC should be ok for on-the-go if push comes to shove  :wink:

I’m very happy with my Clip+ either way. :smiley: It cost a fraction of what I have in my studio and living room :wink:

To satisfy accurate hearing is expensive.

The DAC on the Clip+ is only 16 bit, so there is no advantage to using 24 bit. Rockbox will decode any FLAC file, but they’ll be converted to 44.1k/16 for playback. The sandisk firmware doesn’t decode 24 bit flac at all. BTW, you probably already know this, but LPs are less then 16 bit, so there is no loss of quality from converting to 16 bit.

LPs are analog. that’s 1000x better than digital at any sample rate and bit depth for some.

Digital recordings can lose a lot of transcients and harmonics.

I can hear the difference between mp3 and lossless digital formats and distinguish between different sample frequencies.

Many musicians are cursed this way.

44.1 kHz is acceptable to me, not good. 48 kHz is a little better, 96 kHz and higher is good.

I will experiment a while with different formats and see/hear what sounds best on the Clip+

I am impressed with what the Clip+ does offer. Since the DAC is 16 bit I guess that’s where I will end up.

It will still sound better coming from 24 bit 69 kHz original recording in the end.

@maxmhz wrote:

LPs are analog. that’s 1000x better than digital at any sample rate and bit depth for some.

Digital recordings can lose a lot of transcients and harmonics.

Please see lie number 3.  http://www.theaudiocritic.com/downloads/article_1.pdf.

 

I can hear the difference between mp3 and lossless digital formats and distinguish between different sample frequencies.

 

Many musicians are cursed this way.

 

44.1 kHz is acceptable to me, not good. 48 kHz is a little better, 96 kHz and higher is good.

 

http://www.anythingbutipod.com/forum/showthread.php?s=d5b7343af85712db39a87d34c9735caf&t=68675.

@maxmhz wrote:

LPs are analog. that’s 1000x better than digital at any sample rate and bit depth for some.

 

 

This is a common misconception.  The dynamic range of an analog system determines the number of bits required.  Thus, as the dynamic range of LPs is quite low, they need relatively few bits when quantized.  Depending on your equipment and the age of the LPs (dynamic range decreases with each playback due to damage from the head), you need something like 10-14 bits.  24 bit is nice since it means you don’t have to be as careful about preamp when recording, but it doesn’t actually improve quality anymore then converting an MP3 to FLAC improves quality.


@maxmhz wrote:

I can hear the difference between mp3 and lossless digital formats and distinguish between different sample frequencies.

 

 

 


There is no meaningful difference between 48k and higher sampling rates, so if they sound different, you likely have a problem with your equipment that is degrading audio quality.  You may want to get a sin sweep tone and check for aliasing.