32GB SDHC cards?

I just purchased a 4GB Clip+ that’s to be a father’s day gift.

With all the research I’ve done, I had come to the conclusion 32GB cards work with this player (I see the occasional mention by people using them + the fact 32GB is within the SDHC standard), but to my dismay i open up the user leaflet in the box and I see the words “The Sansa Clip+ plays (slotcards, etc.) or your own content on a microSDHC card (up to 16GB)”.

Not a word was stated in the .PDF User manual I had downloaded from the site here about size limits of cards.

Is this a misprint or am I going to have to take back the 32GB card I just bought and exchange it for a pair of 16s??  :cry: (I’ve got about 25GB of music I was going to preload onto it from my dad’s CD collection).

:-/

Not to worry . . . The 32GB cards work just fine. Most likely the paperwork you received was printed before the 32GB card was released, when 16GB was the largest available.

*whew*

That makes me feel a lot better :smiley:

When I saw “16GB” I couldn’t help but wonder if there was a hardware limitation or something that I had missed somewhere…

Greatly appreciate the info.

64GB cards I bet are right around the corner now too, though I think they are SDXC or something like that… Rather than start a new post, I’ll just ask here… Would anyone know if these will work too? (through a future firmware update maybe)?

Thanks again

You might be able to get away with reformatting an SDXC card to  FAT32 (by default they are exfat) and using it with a clip+. 

Yeah, 64GB is part of the microSDXC spec. I’m (reasonably) certain that a firmware update won’t be enough to let XC cards work with any of the current Sansa players.

Ok, cool. 64GB wasn’t too real important, was more just curious. 32 was a must though.

(I suspect when the cards become available, someone’s bound to try one in a Clip+ lol) :wink:

Thanks for the info guys

And by the time 64GB microSD cards are affordable, we’ll probably be at the great (great?) grandson of the Clip generation. :wink:

http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/hardware/38406/kingmax-coming-out-64gb-microsdxc-memory-card

No price announced, of course…but as stated before, who knows if even a firmware update would allow these cards to work in a Clip+? And imagine the epic database refresh times!:dizzy_face:

@marvin_martian wrote:

http://www.tcmagazine.com/tcm/news/hardware/38406/kingmax-coming-out-64gb-microsdxc-memory-card

 

No price announced, of course…but as stated before, who knows if even a firmware update would allow these cards to work in a Clip+? And imagine the epic database refresh times!:dizzy_face:

Well, that was gonna be my next question… How long is this dang thing supposed to take to refresh it’s data??? :dizzy_face:

I just got done loading about 6500 tracks on it (all .mp3 files + some .m3u playlists) and it just sat there “Refreshing your Media” for an hour and I couldn’t wait anymore, so I forced a shutdown by holding the power button and haven’t tried yet again.

WHen it first started, the little bar at the bottom progressed all the way to the last pixel or so within about 20 seconds, but then just sat there (I know it can’t refresh 6500 tracks that fast so I figured bargraph error, but I don’t know).

I had 8000 or so tracks on an '04-vintage Creative HD player and IIRC it only took about 15 minutes for it to index that many tracks one time I had to do a hard-reset on it.

@jim234567 wrote:

 

I just got done loading about 6500 tracks on it (all .mp3 files + some .m3u playlists) and it just sat there “Refreshing your Media” for an hour and I couldn’t wait anymore, so I forced a shutdown by holding the power button and haven’t tried yet again.

 

WHOA! Big

 People wonder how files on their player (or the firmware) gets corrupted causing them all kinds of frustration and/or grief?

This is one way how.

FWIW i’ve forced a shut down while its refreshing the database hundreds of times.  I don’t think theres any risk in doing so.  As far as I can tell it doesn’t actually write anything to the disk until afterwards, so theres no real effect to doing it.

I hoped all that would happen is it would simply have to start over again, which appears to be the case.

So is over an HOUR normal on this thing??

I don’t think this is gonna fly if so, as it does this each time I disconnect it from the USB.

I’m trying it again now that I have some hours available to waste… the bar quickly goes up to about under the tail of the “Y” in 'your", then slows down slower than the pace of molasses flowing at the South Pole.  In the last 10 minutes I think the bar has advanced two display pixels (at least the bar is actually showing something this time).

I learned very early on about keeping ID3 tags plain & simple with my own player… They are all quite small, having an average size of 130 bytes on the V2 tag (that’s where Winamp tells me the MP3 header is within the file anyway), so there shouldn’t be an issue with bloated tags…

Files themselves are all .mp3 averaging ~128KBPS VBR (about 4MB average size).

Anyone have any other suggestions to speed this up at all if possible?

Edit:

Over an hour later and it’s barely reached halfway under the ‘M’ of ‘media’. This is crazy.

I can’t imagine that’s normal–with my 16GB card, it’s under 10 minutes. 

@tapeworm wrote:


@jim234567 wrote:

 

I just got done loading about 6500 tracks on it (all .mp3 files + some .m3u playlists) and it just sat there “Refreshing your Media” for an hour and I couldn’t wait anymore, so I forced a shutdown by holding the power button and haven’t tried yet again.

 


WHOA! Big

 

 

 People wonder how files on their player (or the firmware) gets corrupted causing them all kinds of frustration and/or grief?

 

This is one way how.

I’ve done it with my Rockboxed Clip+ and it had no adverse effects whatsoever. Of course, all my tunes are set to “read-only” before I load my players.

@miikerman wrote:

I can’t imagine that’s normal–with my 16GB card, it’s under 10 minutes. 

The Sansa db refresh time is more related to total number of files than the amount of space they take up. So his 128kbps file size probably means he has a lot more files-per-GB than you do…certainly more than me. The last time I timed mine, it was under 5 minutes…but my tags are quite streamlined.

Well, here it is… it just now finished.

I started just before 4:00PM today… At 10:50PM I noticed the Refreshing screen finally went off…

Now I see what appears to be a 1000 file cap on playlists.

Could this all be from loading so many new files all at once? Does it go faster the 2nd & later times around maybe? (by storing data from the last refresh?)  I’m actually afraid to connect it to my PC again now to split those playlists up smaller (maybe after the weekend I’ll try it again).

I really appreciate you bearing with me here guys lol (and thanks for the support too. It’s not like I physically ejected the card while it was refreshing lol)

P.S., Finally able to check it, I already have v1.02.15A firmware on it, which appears to be the current version :-/

@jim234567 wrote:

Well, here it is… it just now finished.

 

I started just before 4:00PM today… At 10:50PM I noticed the Refreshing screen finally went off…

 

Now I see what appears to be a 1000 file cap on playlists.

 

Could this all be from loading so many new files all at once? Does it go faster the 2nd & later times around maybe? (by storing data from the last refresh?)  I’m actually afraid to connect it to my PC again now to split those playlists up smaller (maybe after the weekend I’ll try it again).

 

I really appreciate you bearing with me here guys lol (and thanks for the support too. It’s not like I physically ejected the card while it was refreshing lol)

 

P.S., Finally able to check it, I already have v1.02.15A firmware on it, which appears to be the current version :-/

 

 

I don’t think loading all that at one time should be a problem. I have loaded my 8GB with 16GB card installed from empty to full in one installment before. You mention playlists though…I can’t offer any assistance there, as I don’t use them. But I do not think it should have taken nearly seven hours to refresh. :dizzy_face:


Here is another area where the Rockbox firmware would certainly work better. Upon disconnect from the computer with Rockbox installed, you can force the shutdown, then you start the player up in Rockbox mode, and if you choose to use the database in Rockbox, then it will refresh it in the background, while allowing you to listen to something in folder browse mode if you so desire.:smiley:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Miikerman wrote: I can’t imagine that’s normal–with my 16GB card, it’s under 10 minutes. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The Sansa db refresh time is more related to total number of files than the amount of space they take up. So his 128kbps file size probably means he has a lot more files-per-GB than you do…certainly more than me. The last time I timed mine, it was under 5 minutes…but my tags are quite streamlined. Regardless of having 128 kbps files as opposed to files with a higher bitrate, the transfer time certainly seems excessive.

@marvin_martian wrote:

 


@miikerman wrote:

I can’t imagine that’s normal–with my 16GB card, it’s under 10 minutes. 


The Sansa db refresh time is more related to total number of files than the amount of space they take up. So his 128kbps file size probably means he has a lot more files-per-GB than you do…certainly more than me. The last time I timed mine, it was under 5 minutes…but my tags are quite streamlined.

 

Regardless of having 128 kbps files as opposed to files with a higher bitrate, the transfer time certainly seems excessive.

@miikerman wrote:

 


@marvin_martian wrote:

 


@miikerman wrote:

I can’t imagine that’s normal–with my 16GB card, it’s under 10 minutes. 


The Sansa db refresh time is more related to total number of files than the amount of space they take up. So his 128kbps file size probably means he has a lot more files-per-GB than you do…certainly more than me. The last time I timed mine, it was under 5 minutes…but my tags are quite streamlined.

 


Regardless of having 128 kbps files as opposed to files with a higher bitrate, the transfer time certainly seems excessive.

 

The refresh is indeed an excessively long time…no one is disputing that!