Email Exchange My Cousin Had With Chris Ramseyer (Tweaktown Sandisk TRIM author)

My Cousin also bought a Sandisk Extreme and emailed the author of Tweaktown.  He forwarded the email exchange to me, with names and contact information removed.  Chris seems like a really good guy.

From: redacted@unknown.com
Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2012 6:31 PM
To: redacted@unknown.com
Subject: Question RE: Sandisk Extreme Firmware

Hi Chris,

First off, great job on your article of the TRIM bug affecting Sandforce based Solid State Drives.

It was with anticipation I read your followup article on new 5.03 based firmware which sounds like it solves TRIM issues with Sandisk drives; unfortunately Sandisk does not seem able to release this to their actual users.  The Sandisk forums (http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/SanDisk-Extreme-SSD/bd-p/ExtremeSSD)) has many stories of people asking Sandisk support when an updated firmware will be released and not receiving a reply.

Since you appear to have access to Sandisk support channels in a way mere consumers do not, would you have any pull in helping users determine when they will receive any kind of official support from Sandisk in this matter?  I like my drive and it enjoy its speed, but I am concerned I have an orphaned product which will grow continuously slower while Sandisk looks the other way either leaving the SSD business altogether, or Sandisk ignores us, discontinues this model and replaces it with something that actually works and ignores affected users.

Thank you in advance.  I had not read Tweaktown before your article on Sandforce controller TRIM issues, I must say I am an avid reader now.

Subject: RE: Question RE: SanDisk Extreme Firmware
From:  Chris Ramseyer <redacted@unknown.com>
Sent:  Sep 27, 2012 4:02 PM
To:    redacted@unknown.com

Hello,

Thanks for reaching out. I can assure you that with SanDisk owning a NAND fab they won’t be leaving the SSD business anytime soon.

I haven’t spoken with my contacts at SanDisk about the issue since the 5.0.3 drive arrived but I can tell you that SanDisk is going over the firmware closely. As you may of read, 5.0.3 came and it had a small issue with the WHQL certification. 5.0.4 fixed that issue and manufactures have it in testing now. I didn’t find anything wrong with either 503 or 504 but that WHQL cert is a big deal for companies selling to the major OEMs (Dell, HP and so on). Actually, I take that back, the high queue depth random read speeds are down especially on the 120GB drives but it isn’t a big deal because regular users aren’t going to see a queue depth of 32 too often.

It’s my understanding that 5.0.5 is set to release to manufactures the first week of October. I’ve heard it only adds support for more flash types but I’ve also heard it’s a performance increase release. I’ve got reports for both so hopefully both are accurate.  SanDisk is a company that doesn’t want to deal with monthly releases so I’d say they are waiting for 5.0.5 to come in, then go through validation.

I would send you the FW if I had it but SanDisk’s legal team made them flash a drive and send it to me. They are being very tight with the FW for sure. Hopefully they get it all worked out with 5.0.5 and get it to you guys. I’ve seen the thread in the SanDisk forums and check in on it from time to time. Hang in there and I’ll apply a little pressure tonight and try to get SanDisk to help their enthusiast users out with a “beta” release that covers them with the lawyers.

Best Regards,

Chris Ramseyer
Storage Product and PSU Editor

Tweak Town Pty Ltd

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Subject:  Re: RE: Question RE: SanDisk Extreme Firmware
From:  redacted@unknown.com
Sent:  Sep 27, 2012 4:12 PM
To:  Chris Ramseyer <redacted@unknown.com>

Thanks for the speedy reply.

It doesn’t really alleviate my concerns though, because it would mean TRIM still won’t be supported for at least another month.  I think in light of this I’d be better off returning it and going with an Intel.

Thanks again.

Even after (if) Sandisk releases new firmware, people will have a sour taste in their mouth about having one of the most poorly supported SF 2281 drives on the market.   Bottom tier OEMs managed to get out new firmware ahead of Sandisk, this should not have been the case. 

Anyway I have been a big Sandisk fan for a very long time.  This won’t ruin my overall opinion of the company, but I will tread lightly going forward and no longer assume everything Sandisk makes is a well supported quality product…

Hi Folks,

Been lurking here for weeks trying to get some answers why Sandisk has been stalling and has not even been responding to Support request that contains any reference to Firmware & TRIM.

It is so uncanny that Chris Ramseyer mentions keeping the Lawyers @ Bay.

Three week ago I filed a Complaint with the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection regarding the defective Drives .

I also posted on http://www.ripoffreport.com/

Out of nowhere today I receive an e-mail from A Law Firm in CA  http://www.eppsteiner.com/ asking me about the Sandisk Drives I own, when & where I purchased them and how Sandisk has been responding to my request to correct defects.

I gave them all the information including the 8 Case #s & Incident #s that Sandisk has ignored and did not reply to any of them.

They promised to get back to me so I will keep you informed.

Maybe Chis knows something we don’t about some pending legal action Sandisk may be facing!!

Thanks for your post Warrenze, keep is updated!

@warrenze wrote:

Hi Folks,

Been lurking here for weeks trying to get some answers why Sandisk has been stalling and has not even been responding to Support request that contains any reference to Firmware & TRIM.

@It is so uncanny that Chris Ramseyer mentions keeping the Lawyers @ Bay.

Three week ago I filed a Complaint with the FTC’s Bureau of Consumer Protection regarding the defective Drives .

I also posted on http://www.ripoffreport.com/

Out of nowhere today I receive an e-mail from A Law Firm in CA  http://www.eppsteiner.com/ asking me about the Sandisk Drives I own, when & where I purchased them and how Sandisk has been responding to my request to correct defects.

I gave them all the information including the 8 Case #s & Incident #s that Sandisk has ignored and did not reply to any of them.

They promised to get back to me so I will keep you informed.

Maybe Chis knows something we don’t about some pending legal action SanDisk may be facing!!

 

I spoke with SanDisk’s support team today regarding your claim of 8 incidents on which they have yet to respond. They tried searching for your contact record using the email address you have registered with your forum account however they were unable to locate any support record. If you used any other contact information to create the support account please PM me with your information so I can pass it along to SanDisk support. 

Forum Admin

slotmonsta

I have to agree with slotmonsta on this one. I have been dealing with sandisk for many years and it is very unusual for their support to not respond. Get the admin your info and I am sure he will make sure someone contacts you. 

I tried looking for your post on ripoffreport.com but I could not find any post regarding a sandisk SSD. do you have a direct link?

Law firm gets mentioned, Admin suddenly makes an appearance, lol. Mr. slot, can you give us an update on the new firmware while you’re here? Thanks.

@hypereia wrote:
Law firm gets mentioned, Admin suddenly makes an appearance, lol. Mr. slot, can you give us an update on the new firmware while you’re here? Thanks.

It was not so much of the mention of a law firm but more so the mention of 8 contacts without a response form SanDisk support that initiated the response. 

As far as firmware goes I have no more information that what is posted here several times. SanDisk engineering is working on qualifying the next firmware which is suppose to resolve the TRIM issues but I do not have a date as to when it would be released. 

Forum Admin

slotmonsta

Fair enough, thank you for responding.

Slotmonsta

Wonderful, now that a Federal Complaint has been filed & Class Action Law Firm is involved & you may have to pay the Piper

for knowingly selling a Defective Product, you now want to address this issue?

You will find out all you need when you get the Complaint!

Get your Company off their collective butts and get our Drives working as advertised.

We are tired of your Companies lack of communication & action!!