8gb Clip+ display half the music of my 32gb microsd card

Hello everyone

About a year and a half ago I purchased a Sansa Clip+ 8gb player. My ultimate goal was to add a 32gb micro sd card to have 40gb total space. But they were too expensive at the time so I waited until now. Meanwhile I added a 4gb micro sd card and it worked very well.

So I received my so beloved 32gb card some days ago. I was so excited, finally! So I put all the music I wanted, until about 300mb remains on the card. I let the player refresh itself (taking so long)…only to realize that half my music was not displaying in my player, but all songs playing and displaying in the computer in msc mode; so it can’t be the card itself.

I was VERY frustrated because I took all the precautions possibles:

  • I bought the card from a trusted store, Future Shop, to be sure that I have a genuine card. (can somebody confirm that Future Shop often sell fake cards?)

  • The card is a Sandisk 32gb microsdhc card class 4, to be sure it was compatible.

  • I formatted both the player and the card, updated the player with the latest firmware before putting music.

  • I asked Sandisk the limit of songs that the OS (operating system) can display: 8000. And my player fully loaded (8gb internal plus 32gb external) have a total of 6872 songs.

I wondered, maybe I have too much folders. I reduced them from 474 to 91, but keeping the same amount of songs. It was not the problem: a lot of songs were not displayed. Like before; so it’s not a folders problem.

I even thought that maybe the card reader of my player had a pin broken, preventing it to access some folders. But no, because when I access the card via the player in my computer, I can access all the folders and songs. So the card is read in it’s entirely.

When I randomly listen to songs in the card with my computer, they all play instantly and well, so I’m 99.9% sure that the card is working well and that it is not a fake.

So now, I’m here, because this problem now transcend my knowledge. I want to know if some of you know why this is happening.

If I buy another identical player, is there a chance that he will display all? How can my player be working perfectly EXCEPT for this 32gb full displaying thing? I really fear the next player will do the exact same thing.

Is this technology not fully working yet? Am I asking too much right now from technology?

Depending of your answers, I will:

  • buy another sans clip+ 8gb in hope the next will display all;

  • buy another model from another company that is know to work well with 32gb microsd cards;

  • return my 32gb microsd card to Future Shop trying to have a refund while accepting that my needs are now too great for the current technology and finally wait the day when a 64gb player with a OS capable of displaying 16000 song will be released.

@drealm wrote:

Hello everyone

I asked Sandisk the limit of songs that the OS (operating system) can display: 8000. And my player fully loaded (8gb internal plus 32gb external) have a total of 6872 songs.

I wondered, maybe I have too much folders. I reduced them from 474 to 91, but keeping the same amount of songs. It was not the problem: a lot of songs were not displayed. Like before; so it’s not a folders problem.

While the limit is 8000, other things can affect it too. One of which you’ve discovered, but also the length of file names and/or track titles and even the inclusion of large embedded album art in the ID3 tag can reduce the amount of ‘readable’ files.

Speaking of ID3 tags, the format and even the content of the tags can determine whether or not it can be ‘seen’ by the player. The desired format is ID3v2.3 ISO-8859-1. Also make sure you have no foreign or strange character anywhere and the Comments field is blank.

When I ripped my entire CD collection (about 50gb total), I realized that I did not included ID3 tags.

That’s why I choose this player, because of the “folders” section. Because without it, all my MP3 would be in alphabetical order, messing up all my folders classification.

So it absolutely can’t be because of huge MP3 tags.

Yes, some files name are long. For example, all my songs titles looks like that:

Madonna - 2005 - Confessions on a dance floor - 03 - Sorry.mp3

Madonna - 2005 - Confessions on a dance floor - 04 - Future lovers.mp3

Could it really be because of that? Long files name removing about 6.5 gb of music detection? ( I said half in my first post, but it’s more 1/4 that is not detected.) Hard to believe.

Perhaps you should try tagging your songs properly, and get rid of all the tags besides the ID3v2.3 iso 8859-1 tags. Were the songs transferred in MSC mode? Ordinarily a ripping program does fill in tags, but they may not be tags compatible with the player.

Editing tags is easy with mp3Tag. 

Leaving out tags might cause the player to choke. There may be a limit to how many files it can deal with that have unknown for the artist, album, or title?

@drealm wrote:

 

Yes, some files name are long. For example, all my songs titles looks like that:

 

Madonna - 2005 - Confessions on a dance floor - 03 - Sorry.mp3

Madonna - 2005 - Confessions on a dance floor - 04 - Future lovers.mp3

 

Could it really be because of that? Long files name removing about 6.5 gb of music detection? ( I said half in my first post, but it’s more 1/4 that is not detected.) Hard to believe.

You really don’t need all that information in the song title.  You can just have “03-Sorry.mp3” for a song title and leave out the rest.   Actually, your song title, IMO, is a combination of four different tags strung into one tag.  It’s as if you strung the tags for artist - year - album name - song title into one big long tag.

@mags1230 wrote:


@drealm wrote:

 

Yes, some files name are long. For example, all my songs titles looks like that:

 

Madonna - 2005 - Confessions on a dance floor - 03 - Sorry.mp3

Madonna - 2005 - Confessions on a dance floor - 04 - Future lovers.mp3

 

Could it really be because of that? Long files name removing about 6.5 gb of music detection? ( I said half in my first post, but it’s more 1/4 that is not detected.) Hard to believe.


You really don’t need all that information in the song title.  You can just have “03-Sorry.mp3” for a song title and leave out the rest.   Actually, your song title, IMO, is a combination of four different tags strung into one tag.  It’s as if you strung the tags for artist - year - album name - song title into one big long tag.

I believe Drealm said that he has _ no _ ID3 tags. These are his file names. And yes, that could be (at least part of) the problem. While the Clip+ does have Folder mode, I believe it still depends on tags to some degree.

@tapeworm wrote:


@mags1230 wrote:


@drealm wrote:

 

Yes, some files name are long. For example, all my songs titles looks like that:

 

Madonna - 2005 - Confessions on a dance floor - 03 - Sorry.mp3

Madonna - 2005 - Confessions on a dance floor - 04 - Future lovers.mp3

 

Could it really be because of that? Long files name removing about 6.5 gb of music detection? ( I said half in my first post, but it’s more 1/4 that is not detected.) Hard to believe.


You really don’t need all that information in the song title.  You can just have “03-Sorry.mp3” for a song title and leave out the rest.   Actually, your song title, IMO, is a combination of four different tags strung into one tag.  It’s as if you strung the tags for artist - year - album name - song title into one big long tag.


I believe Drealm said that he has _ no _ ID3 tags. These are his file names. And yes, that could be (at least part of) the problem. While the Clip+ does have Folder mode, I believe it still depends on tags to some degree.

Isn’t the file name also seen by the clip+ as a tag?  Apparently, the OP’s songs do show up in folder view, just not all of them.  So, if folder view is based on ID3 tags, and since most of Drealm’s files show up on the player, then the file name is also considered to be a tag, right?

Perhaps, Drealm, can properly tag a few albums, the ones that don’t show up on the clip+, on his computer, and retransfer them to the player to see if they show?

@mags1230 wrote:

Perhaps, Drealm, can properly tag a few albums, the ones that don’t show up on the clip+, on his computer, and retransfer them to the player to see if they show?


That’s a good idea.

Well, that may be long, but, as a desperate attempt, I can do it.

Is there a FAST way to do this? As I see it now, I must tag song by song?

Or re-rip my CDs, including this time ID3 tags?

Download the free program mp3Tag. With it, you can edit many tags in a single step.

http://www.mp3tag.de/en/

With mp3Tag, you can select many files, then use convert fileme>tag and have the program  extract the various tags from the filename from many files at once.

Of course, what this thread again shows, as posted elsewhere, is the need for the Clip’s database architecture to be re-thought.  While mostly fine for the days of 8GB microSD cards, problems started to appear with 16GB cards and definitely exist for 32GB cards.   

@drealm wrote:

Well, that may be long, but, as a desperate attempt, I can do it.

 

Is there a FAST way to do this? As I see it now, I must tag song by song?

 

Or re-rip my CDs, including this time ID3 tags?

I believe Mags was suggesting doing this to only a few of your albums to see if it helped. No need to do your entire library until you know if it does.

Most ripping programs connect to an on-line database to fill in and/or create the tags. It doesn’t take long at all (for a few albums). Now if you end up having to do this to your entire library, that may be a different story. :wink:

I finally found a perfect solution: Rockbox.

It works like a charm and have way more configuration options.

All my 32gb card show and there’s no “refreshing your media” waiting time.

Thanks once again to internet, the wonderful internet.

Lots of posts here about Rockbox; as well as at the anythingbutipod.com Clip forum (which has a separate Rockbox section) and, of course, at Rockbox.org, with its own forum. :slight_smile: