Peregrine wrote:
No one else confused by that comment?
You have TWO V1 Fuzes. I assume they are NOT Rockboxed. So then… um… Rockbox one of the ones you have?!?
Am I missing something???
I missed that one before…lol. Great point…try it on one of the ones you already have, and if you don’t like it, switch it back or buy a v2 to replace it.
@peregrine wrote:
No one else confused by that comment?
You have TWO V1 Fuzes. I assume they are NOT Rockboxed. So then… um… Rockbox one of the ones you have?!?
Am I missing something???
I have two v1 Fuzes, correct. They are already Rockboxed, but they are also in full-time use (by me and the wife). I’d like a third v1 Fuze for Rockbox and “experiments” (i.e. my own modifications to Rockbox).
@fuzilli wrote:
@peregrine wrote:
No one else confused by that comment?
You have TWO V1 Fuzes. I assume they are NOT Rockboxed. So then… um… Rockbox one of the ones you have?!?
Am I missing something???
I have two v1 Fuzes, correct. They are already Rockboxed, but they are also in full-time use (by me and the wife). I’d like a third v1 Fuze for Rockbox and “experiments” (i.e. my own modifications to Rockbox).
Theres no reason to buy another player to experiment on.
@saratoga wrote:
Theres no reason to buy another player to experiment on.
Your faith in my ability to experiment on Rockbox without making it unusable is touching but entirely misplaced. 
@fuzilli wrote:
@saratoga wrote:
Theres no reason to buy another player to experiment on.
Your faith in my ability to experiment on Rockbox without making it unusable is touching but entirely misplaced.
You can’t make a fuze unusable by doing stuff in rockbox with it. Maybe before starting thread and buying stuff you don’t need you should take like 5 minutes and read anything at all about Fuze development. It would save you a LOT of dumb questions.
@saratoga wrote:
You can’t make a fuze unusable by doing stuff in rockbox with it. Maybe before starting thread and buying stuff you don’t need you should take like 5 minutes and read anything at all about Fuze development. It would save you a LOT of dumb questions.
Maybe you should pay closer attention to what I’m saying. It’s perfectly possible to make Rockbox unusable on a Fuze by modifying it. In fact, I’m sure it would be pretty easy: find the function that makes it play an audio file and replace the body with a single ‘return’ statement.
@fuzilli wrote:
@saratoga wrote:
You can’t make a fuze unusable by doing stuff in rockbox with it. Maybe before starting thread and buying stuff you don’t need you should take like 5 minutes and read anything at all about Fuze development. It would save you a LOT of dumb questions.
Maybe you should pay closer attention to what I’m saying. It’s perfectly possible to make Rockbox unusable on a Fuze by modifying it. In fact, I’m sure it would be pretty easy: find the function that makes it play an audio file and replace the body with a single ‘return’ statement.
I think you misunderstand how this works. If you break your rockbox build (which I do probably 5-10 times a week) you just copy a new build over. You don’t need to go buy a new mp3 player. I haven’t bought about 600 fuzes already this year. If I had to it would be impossible to actually do rockbox development. Most of us just have one Fuze. If you’re going to buy multiple players, it makes more sense to buy different ones so you can test your code on more devices. Buying two of the same isn’t very helpful.
Again I’m going to suggest you take a look at how this actually works rather then making assumptions. And if you’re going to make assumptions, assuming people who do development don’t know how development works is not a very good idea. At best you’ll be wrong. At worst you’ll be wrong and people will think poorly of you in the future.
@saratoga wrote:
I think you misunderstand how this works…
And I think you still misunderstand what I’m saying, or what I intend to do with Rockbox and a third Fuze.
You are a developer, so I presume you understand the purpose of a ‘test system’, and how it is different from a ‘production system’. The two Fuzes I have right now are ‘production systems’. They work, and I want them to carry on working as they are. I want to be able to pick either one up at ANY time, switch it on, and use it. However, if I start mucking around with Rockbox and installing experimental builds on my ‘production’ Fuzes, I risk making them unusable (with Rockbox), and I will have to spend time ‘fixing’ them, which will make me grumpy.
And this is where the third Fuze comes in. It will be my ‘test system’. I can pick it up, install whatever messed up modification of Rockbox I like on it, play with it, and put it down again. And it won’t matter whether it’s unusable - because I still have the ‘production’ Fuzes, which do work.
I know a third Fuze will cost money I could otherwise avoid spending, but refurbished Fuzes are available for $30-40, and in my opinion that’s a price worth paying for a ‘test system’ - if only I could be sure I was getting a v1, which is what this thread was supposed to be about.
@fuzilli wrote:
You are a developer, so I presume you understand the purpose of a ‘test system’, and how it is different from a ‘production system’.
Yes I get that I’m just saying its a really stupid idea that you only like because you haven’t taken the time to understand what you are talking about.
Take 5 minutes to understand this process and you’ll realize how ridiculous you sound :)
Fuzilli wrote:
The two Fuzes I have right now are ‘production systems’. They work, and I want them to carry on working as they are. I want to be able to pick either one up at ANY time, switch it on, and use it. However, if I start mucking around with Rockbox and installing experimental builds on my ‘production’ Fuzes, I risk making them unusable (with Rockbox), and I will have to spend time ‘fixing’ them, which will make me grumpy.
If you’re this worried about spending tens of seconds being frustrated, I suggest you give up on hardware hacking right now!
@saratoga wrote:
If you’re this worried about spending tens of seconds being frustrated, I suggest you give up on hardware hacking right now!
And I here I was thinking I’d be hacking software (Rockbox)…
All I can think of to say at this point is that I value my limited spare time much more than you do, and I like being able to fall back instantly to a working system. With a ‘test Fuze’, I wouldn’t have to spend even a single second being ‘frustrated’. Ridiculous or not, that’s how it is.
Message Edited by TomJensen on 05-03-2010 06:05 PM
Hey, I like the idea of requesting the seller turn the device on. If they cooperate with you, definitely thank them for their help, as real service is a rare art these days. Hopefully, you’ll find a third device to play with.
Am I the only one who sees the logic in having a machine that’s untouched, ready to enjoy without worries? That way, you can have music while you tinker with the other one. I have Sansas all over the place, so the music is uninterrupted.
Bob :smileyvery-happy:
@tomjensen wrote:
It’s kind of funny to read this thread (I mean other than the catfight that’s going on). You go online to get others’ opinions on how to get a V1. Then when you get it, you go, oh, opinions on the Internet don’t count. Uh, okaaayyyyy… let me run down to the Vatican and get the Pope’s seal of approval for ya.
Honestly, here’s a foolproof way to get a v1: Find a small mom-and-pop online seller that sells refurb/recertified Fuzes, one that has the same people doing customer service and sales. Call them and say that you would only buy a v1. While you’re on the phone, have the person go get a package, open it, and turn the thing on. Have him/her read the firmware # for you. Recert/refurb Fuzes aren’t in blister packs, so it’s not a big deal for them to open one, as long as the person has ready access to inventory.
Yeah, try to find anyone that will offer that kind of service anymore. Those days are a thing of the past. Why should a rep waste even 5 minutes opening a package when on the next line is another customer willing to buy 50 with no questions asked.
I know it’s sad, but real customer service doesn’t exist anymore.
@neutron_bob wrote:
Hey, I like the idea of requesting the seller turn the device on. If they cooperate with you, definitely thank them for their help, as real service is a rare art these days. Hopefully, you’ll find a third device to play with.
Am I the only one who sees the logic in having a machine that’s untouched, ready to enjoy without worries? That way, you can have music while you tinker with the other one. I have Sansas all over the place, so the music is uninterrupted.
Bob :smileyvery-happy:
Agreed, if willing to spend the money for multiple players - go for it. I should know! I have a blue 8gb for on-the go, silver 8gb jumped internally for lineout only in the garage, an unopened 2gb, about 10 working various size gb units in a drawer that need battery life tests, all of these except one are V1 units. Have another box of about 20 various players with mostly bad LCDs, a pile of units in pieces for parts, 90% of these are V1. Much of this will go up on Ebay soon and will be listed as V1 for those looking. Some will be tested motherboards only. Also have a multitude (around 100?) of Clips in varied condition, 95% are V1. A pile of C250s and a pile of original Sansa specific cables too.
Like to tinker - YES! With one player - NO!
14124all wrote:
@neutron_bob wrote:
Hey, I like the idea of requesting the seller turn the device on. If they cooperate with you, definitely thank them for their help, as real service is a rare art these days. Hopefully, you’ll find a third device to play with.
Am I the only one who sees the logic in having a machine that’s untouched, ready to enjoy without worries? That way, you can have music while you tinker with the other one. I have Sansas all over the place, so the music is uninterrupted.
Bob :smileyvery-happy:
Agreed, if willing to spend the money for multiple players - go for it. I should know! I have a blue 8gb for on-the go, silver 8gb jumped internally for lineout only in the garage, an unopened 2gb, about 10 working various size gb units in a drawer that need battery life tests, all of these except one are V1 units. Have another box of about 20 various players with mostly bad LCDs, a pile of units in pieces for parts, 90% of these are V1. Much of this will go up on Ebay soon and will be listed as V1 for those looking. Some will be tested motherboards only. Also have a multitude (around 100?) of Clips in varied condition, 95% are V1. A pile of C250s and a pile of original Sansa specific cables too.
Like to tinker - YES! With one player - NO!
Given the obsession with Rockbox, you’ll probably be able to make a killing with all those v1’s.
Message Edited by TomJensen on 05-03-2010 06:05 PM
@tomjensen wrote:
I’m not sure if it’s safe to ask this, but ummm… why do you have a few THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS’ worth of Sansa stuff?!? Honestly I think my curiosity would’ve been tapped out on the 2nd or 3rd one?
I have a good friend who’s son is a BestBuy auto installation manager (smart kid!). I like to tinker with stuff and repair things. I was getting bulk lots of returned BestBuy players from my friend’s kid. Pay about $1 - $3 per player in lots of 10-30. All have issues, some simple, some beyond repair. Thousands of dollars - no way!
Message Edited by TomJensen on 05-03-2010 06:05 PM
@tomjensen wrote:
I had thought you’d be a Sandisk tech with all that hardware… So, what’s the most common hardware failure on the Fuze?
BTW, they may not be what you paid for it, but they’re definitely into the 4-digits as far as worth.
Cracked LCDs and loose or failed headphone jacks.
Never push on the front cover of your Fuze below the clear screen window. The solder joints for the battery are below the LCD on the right side. Flexing the front cover pushes the lower connection edge of the LCD against the solder humps and can easily crack the lower edge of the LCD. The result is black splotches in the display (leaked) or white screen (no video signals) or no player powerup (if it shorts).
Headphone jacks are cheap. Best bet for these is to use them as little as possible for maximum life.
Message Edited by TomJensen on 03-13-2010 10:26 AM
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