Sansa Fuze Firmware Update version 01.01.22 & 02.01.17

@robisan wrote:
Just a guess … but I think folder browsing will be in this update. Sansafix’s hinted that the coming update will make us not need/want Rockbox. We know gapless has been ruled out for this update, so I think folder browsing may what he was hinting.

Im thinking that is an option but possibly more realistic is open format video, or the elimination of the need for SMC at least.

@lewislink wrote:
I guess it’s a sign of the times, I don’t know, but it’s interesting that, these days, there must be no break in sound output…not even for 2 seconds between songs… in order to satisfy people.

Its pretty valuable for things like Audiobooks i guess. But in my case atleast, Its for albums that were meant to be listened to with out breaks, Dark Side of the Moon for instance.

@conversionbox wrote:


@lewislink wrote:
I guess it’s a sign of the times, I don’t know, but it’s interesting that, these days, there must be no break in sound output…not even for 2 seconds between songs… in order to satisfy people.


Its pretty valuable for things like Audiobooks i guess. But in my case atleast, Its for albums that were meant to be listened to with out breaks, Dark Side of the Moon for instance.

I’m really dating myself here, but in those instances where there is a seamless flow of music from one track to another, I rip the CD into 2 parts …so in essence you have 2 album “sides” like in the glory days of vinyl.  Each side is seamless- no breaks.  So I can decide if I want to listen to side A or side B without having the breaks in playback.

I’m not a singles person so it doesn’t affect my playback experience by not being able to exactly pinpoint a particular cut in this instance.

So, gapless for me would be nice, but not all that essential.

You’re not dating yourself but I’m about to. :slight_smile: I’m the guy who bought twin turntables and a mixer in the late 70s to achieve gapless play on tapes and have had that as my standard modus operandi ever since, never mind live albums and works of symphonic rock.

So, to reply to the other item in the thread, the requirement to have gapless to please people is NOT new, certainly not in my case.

Message Edited by roj on 04-04-2009 02:09 PM

@reviewboy wrote:


@conversionbox wrote:

Guys I read about 300 e-mails a day… so for your conversation about books that are hard reads, I have a solution… Audiobooks! Its so much easier!


Absolutely.  (I’m an audible subscriber since 1999, and audiobook lover since - no joke - the days of vinyl.)

 

Thanks for the advice, but it’s much more difficult to listen to a foreign language than to read it!!

@marvin_martian wrote:


They never listed a specific date.

 

They most certainly did.

“Yes its in the next release, end of the month.”

Message Edited by Fifer on 04-04-2009 10:13 PM

In R&D circles, there is a concept known as “virtual Friday.”

Simply put, if the milestone date is end of day Friday, then you’re not late as long as it is done before the doors open Monday morning.  In extreme cases, it’s still friday if you’re dressed in Friday’s clothes and haven’t slept since Thursday night.

Yes, they’re past their announced, expected ship date, and they can’t claim to have made their 1Q target, even a “Virtual Friday” 1Q. But it’s a human process, and it’s MUCH less of a hassle to make people wait than to ship something that (say) bricks every other device it’s installed on.  Just ask Sony.

I’ll take a delay over a paperweight anyday.

Message Edited by Reviewboy on 04-04-2009 02:18 PM

Message Edited by Reviewboy on 04-04-2009 02:19 PM

I’ve got a better one that’s far more general purpose:

“No plan survives contact with the enemy”

 -  Eisenhower

@fifer wrote:


@marvin_martian wrote:


They never listed a specific date.

 


They most certainly did.

 

“Yes its in the next release, end of the month.”

Message Edited by Fifer on 04-04-2009 10:13 PM

I’ll be sure to ask them, next time, to send you the firmware the the exact day you expect, even if it’s not quite ready. Sound good? Seriously, why do you have to be so negative, so often?

@reviewboy wrote:

In R&D circles, there is a concept known as “virtual Friday.”

 

Simply put, if the milestone date is end of day Friday, then you’re not late as long as it is done before the doors open Monday morning.  In extreme cases, it’s still friday if you’re dressed in Friday’s clothes and haven’t slept since Thursday night.

 

Yes, they’re past their announced, expected ship date, and they can’t claim to have made their 1Q target, even a “Virtual Friday” 1Q. But it’s a human process, and it’s MUCH less of a hassle to make people wait than to ship something that (say) bricks every other device it’s installed on.  Just ask Sony.

 

I’ll take a delay over a paperweight anyday.


@reviewboy wrote:

In R&D circles, there is a concept known as “virtual Friday.”

 

Simply put, if the milestone date is end of day Friday, then you’re not late as long as it is done before the doors open Monday morning.  In extreme cases, it’s still friday if you’re dressed in Friday’s clothes and haven’t slept since Thursday night.

 

Yes, they’re past their announced, expected ship date, and they can’t claim to have made their 1Q target, even a “Virtual Friday” 1Q. But it’s a human process, and it’s MUCH less of a hassle to make people wait than to ship something that (say) bricks every other device it’s installed on.  Just ask Sony.

 

I’ll take a delay over a paperweight anyday.

 

 

Message Edited by Reviewboy on 04-04-2009 02:18 PM

Message Edited by Reviewboy on 04-04-2009 02:19 PM


I couldn’t agree more!

Sansafix is listening to his Fuze, checking out the latest.  He’s smiling, so that must be a good sign.  We have to give him some time to see if he’s found muttering, and plugging it back in.

Good things come to those who wait.  My Fuze is busy making music currently.

Bob   :smileyvery-happy:

Anyone know more about the firmware? i want to know if I have to install SMC on my new computer. I have an addiction to music videos (and youtube)…

I wouldn’t assume that the Sansa Media Converter will suddenly be a thing of the past.  The container requirements for the transferred video will no doubt remain, though they could be simplified.  The Fuze has a different way of handling video, in comparison against the Sansa View, which has more in the video department.

Video is difficult, since there are so many different codecs and parameters for each source video.  Loading YouTube clips is a breeze.

Bob  :smileyvery-happy:

You might want to back off of that statement. I know from experience the very same common MPEG-4 video files that would play on my View, Zen, Zune, iPods and so forth, played just fine on my v.1 Fuze with original FW. It’s when I updated to a later FW that videos had to be SMC specific.

@lewislink wrote:
You might want to back off of that statement. I know from experience the very same common MPEG-4 video files that would play on my View, Zen, Zune, iPods and so forth, played just fine on my v.1 Fuze with original FW. It’s when I updated to a later FW that videos had to be SMC specific.

I’m not sure you should be speaking to neutron_bob that way…he’s got an awful lot of “sansa time” under his belt, and given how other forums seem to like to send you on your way, perhaps a more diplomatic approach would serve your purposes a little better :wink:

I think it was Dana Carvey that said it best with his George Bush (senior) impersonation: 

“Not gonna do it, wouldn’t be prudent!”

The container requirements may receive a tweaking.  It would be nice to have the Fuze a little less sensitive to the transferred video, I agree.  This is what I mentioned in the previous post.  I have noticed that the latest FW is indeed more sensitive to the video specifications, as it will occasionally display a video fault message.

Bob  :smileyvery-happy:

You must be referring to the forum run by the Nazi. :slight_smile: That forum has minimal traffic. It was inevitable that I leave because I abhor dead forums. It isn’t my fault that Nazi forum management can’t handle differing views and opinions. All anyone has to do is look at all of my posts in these forums and they will see that I am a decent, gentle person that doesn’t…ehem… kiss ass…hmmm

I’m now a happy member of a much better, more sophisticated, greatly intelligently run forum known as DAPreview. When you get tired of the BS in that Nazi forum, come on over to DAPreview and see what it’s like to have your own opinion, eh MM?

As far as my statement goes, aren’t you being a bit judgemental? I merely made a factual statement, countering an non-factual statement.

@marvin_martian wrote:


@lewislink wrote:
You might want to back off of that statement. I know from experience the very same common MPEG-4 video files that would play on my View, Zen, Zune, iPods and so forth, played just fine on my v.1 Fuze with original FW. It’s when I updated to a later FW that videos had to be SMC specific.


I’m not sure you should be speaking to neutron_bob that way…he’s got an awful lot of “sansa time” under his belt, and given how other forums seem to like to send you on your way, perhaps a more diplomatic approach would serve your purposes a little better :wink:

Message Edited by lewislink on 04-04-2009 06:32 PM

@lewislink wrote:

You must be referring to the forum run by the Nazi. :slight_smile: That forum has minimal traffic. It was inevitable that I leave because I abhor dead forums. It isn’t my fault that Nazi forum management can’t handle differing views and opinions. All anyone has to do is look at all of my posts in these forums and they will see that I am a decent, gentle person that doesn’t kiss ass…hmmm

 

As far as my statement goes, aren’t you being a bit judgemental? I merely made a factual statement, countering an non-factual statement.


@marvin_martian wrote:


@lewislink wrote:
You might want to back off of that statement. I know from experience the very same common MPEG-4 video files that would play on my View, Zen, Zune, iPods and so forth, played just fine on my v.1 Fuze with original FW. It’s when I updated to a later FW that videos had to be SMC specific.


I’m not sure you should be speaking to neutron_bob that way…he’s got an awful lot of “sansa time” under his belt, and given how other forums seem to like to send you on your way, perhaps a more diplomatic approach would serve your purposes a little better :wink:


 

 

Message Edited by lewislink on 04-04-2009 06:05 PM

Lewis… you didnt make a completely factual statement. SMC has been the only way to add videos to Sansa players for at least 2 years. I had to use it on my connect too. What Bob said is exactly what happened. The older firmware was a little more liberal with what it allowed on the player, newer firmware not so much. What I will say is that in the past you could have gotten an open file type to play, but that is not representitive of the way the player has ever worked. So your statement was factual but not completely accurate…and to call Bob’s statement Nonfactual is in itself wrong, do a little research, and you will see that you are both right.

@conversionbox wrote:


@lewislink wrote:

You must be referring to the forum run by the Nazi. :slight_smile: That forum has minimal traffic. It was inevitable that I leave because I abhor dead forums. It isn’t my fault that Nazi forum management can’t handle differing views and opinions. All anyone has to do is look at all of my posts in these forums and they will see that I am a decent, gentle person that doesn’t kiss ass…hmmm

 

As far as my statement goes, aren’t you being a bit judgemental? I merely made a factual statement, countering an non-factual statement.


@marvin_martian wrote:


@lewislink wrote:
You might want to back off of that statement. I know from experience the very same common MPEG-4 video files that would play on my View, Zen, Zune, iPods and so forth, played just fine on my v.1 Fuze with original FW. It’s when I updated to a later FW that videos had to be SMC specific.


I’m not sure you should be speaking to neutron_bob that way…he’s got an awful lot of “sansa time” under his belt, and given how other forums seem to like to send you on your way, perhaps a more diplomatic approach would serve your purposes a little better :wink:


 

 

Message Edited by lewislink on 04-04-2009 06:05 PM


Lewis… you didnt make a completely factual statement. SMC has been the only way to add videos to Sansa players for at least 2 years. I had to use it on my connect too. What Bob said is exactly what happened. The older firmware was a little more liberal with what it allowed on the player, newer firmware not so much. What I will say is that in the past you could have gotten an open file type to play, but that is not representitive of the way the player has ever worked. So your statement was factual but not completely accurate…and to call Bob’s statement Nonfactual is in itself wrong, do a little research, and you will see that you are both right.

I keep make a facual statement of using…by means of drag & drop…videos on my Fuze…having watched them with my own two eyes…and people want to say it didn’t happen.

No mention is ever given to the CNN story…about 1 year ago…speaking of Sandisk and eventually, maybe, Zune and other PMP makers severely limiting format compatibility on their PMPs because of alighnment with the movie  industry. That’s where my Fuze video watching went. It didn’t go away because of hardware inadiquacy.

@lewislink wrote:


@conversionbox wrote:


@lewislink wrote:

You must be referring to the forum run by the Nazi. :slight_smile: That forum has minimal traffic. It was inevitable that I leave because I abhor dead forums. It isn’t my fault that Nazi forum management can’t handle differing views and opinions. All anyone has to do is look at all of my posts in these forums and they will see that I am a decent, gentle person that doesn’t kiss ass…hmmm

 

As far as my statement goes, aren’t you being a bit judgemental? I merely made a factual statement, countering an non-factual statement.


@marvin_martian wrote:


@lewislink wrote:
You might want to back off of that statement. I know from experience the very same common MPEG-4 video files that would play on my View, Zen, Zune, iPods and so forth, played just fine on my v.1 Fuze with original FW. It’s when I updated to a later FW that videos had to be SMC specific.


I’m not sure you should be speaking to neutron_bob that way…he’s got an awful lot of “sansa time” under his belt, and given how other forums seem to like to send you on your way, perhaps a more diplomatic approach would serve your purposes a little better :wink:


 

 

Message Edited by lewislink on 04-04-2009 06:05 PM


Lewis… you didnt make a completely factual statement. SMC has been the only way to add videos to Sansa players for at least 2 years. I had to use it on my connect too. What Bob said is exactly what happened. The older firmware was a little more liberal with what it allowed on the player, newer firmware not so much. What I will say is that in the past you could have gotten an open file type to play, but that is not representitive of the way the player has ever worked. So your statement was factual but not completely accurate…and to call Bob’s statement Nonfactual is in itself wrong, do a little research, and you will see that you are both right.


I keep make a facual statement of using…by means of drag & drop…videos on my Fuze…having watched them with my own two eyes…and people want to say it didn’t happen.

 

No mention is ever given to the CNN story…about 1 year ago…speaking of Sandisk and eventually, maybe, Zune and other PMP makers severely limiting format compatibility on their PMPs because of alighnment with the movie  industry. That’s where my Fuze video watching went. It didn’t go away because of hardware inadiquacy.

Never Said it didint happen… What I am saying is that SMC has always been… SanDisks way… If you actually had to use it or not is a different story. Andremember Just because CNN says it does not make it true. There would have been a very highly documented press release if this had happened as you describe. My Guess is that what you heard had to do with Digital Copys of Movies.