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Re: Sansa Fuze Firmware Update


@miltst wrote:

@Conversionbox wrote:

@mngrif wrote:

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Now for the really bad... Pressing and holding "next" while listening to a song in Folder mode (YAAAY!!!) does not fast forward! It changes songs, and keeps changing them as long as you have it held down.  I'm absolutely positive this isn't the intended action because in every other view it fast forwards, which is why I'm bringing it up. Since I mostly listen to hour+ long DJ mixes, this pretty much makes the folder view useless Smiley Sad

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Good catch on the fast forward thing (Just tried it myslef and yup it just skips). As for the corruption, try switching to msc mode loading the songs back on the player, and then running the chkdsk utility, that may help.


Do both of you happen to have V1 models? Reason I ask is because the FF and RW work just fine on the V2 that I have. The hold left/right to FF/RW and single click to step to next/previous work exactly the same as they always have before even in Folder/File mode on mine.

 


I made a Boo Boo (as my little cousin who is watching his music sync to his newly updated fuze on my desktop pc would say). On my test I did it on an audiobook which I just threw on and did not set up properly.


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Re: Sansa Fuze Firmware Update


@Conversionbox wrote:

I made a Boo Boo (as my little cousin who is watching his music sync to his newly updated fuze on my desktop pc would say). On my test I did it on an audiobook which I just threw on and did not set up properly.

 

I'm not sure how it is intended to work with audiobooks in Folder/File View mode. I have a set of MP3's as an audiobook on mine and if I go in Folder View, then into Audiobooks and play it... it will still let me FF/RW even the the Chapter setting is set to off.

 

However, the exact same audiobook file(s) will not FF/RW when played thru the normal (original) menu system. I have to change the Chapter mode setting to on to be able to FF/RW when playing it the old original way (not Folder View). This, of course, is the way it was intended to work.

 

So, not sure which way you were trying to test things there CB. Maybe ya should give the player to your cousin and have him explain it to ya LOL. Young kids these days seem to know how to do a lot more things than I ever could have imagined back at that age. And, many of them can work with stuff that I can't even begin to understand at all now LOL.

 

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Re: Sansa Fuze Firmware Update


@miltst wrote:

@Conversionbox wrote:

I made a Boo Boo (as my little cousin who is watching his music sync to his newly updated fuze on my desktop pc would say). On my test I did it on an audiobook which I just threw on and did not set up properly.

 

I'm not sure how it is intended to work with audiobooks in Folder/File View mode. I have a set of MP3's as an audiobook on mine and if I go in Folder View, then into Audiobooks and play it... it will still let me FF/RW even the the Chapter setting is set to off.

 

However, the exact same audiobook file(s) will not FF/RW when played thru the normal (original) menu system. I have to change the Chapter mode setting to on to be able to FF/RW when playing it the old original way (not Folder View). This, of course, is the way it was intended to work.

 

So, not sure which way you were trying to test things there CB. Maybe ya should give the player to your cousin and have him explain it to ya LOL. Young kids these days seem to know how to do a lot more things than I ever could have imagined back at that age. And, many of them can work with stuff that I can't even begin to understand at all now LOL.

 


Im only 21 so Im still pretty Quick, and he is 4 and can only read the menu that says songs and then play all (He is still learning the rest) so I doubt he can help. Ill ask him though. What I need to do tomorrow (Its movie time here now) is set up some stuff for folder nav (At this point my tags are almost perfect) and test it out on both the internal and external memory system and see what happens


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Re: Sansa Fuze Firmware Update

Yep, that would be the best thing to do CB, especially since you would have many more types of files (of both audio and audiobooks) than I do. And, of course, for anything to work properly on the Fuze all the ID3 tags do need to be done correctly. Don't know if that could have been the other persons problem with FF and RW though or not.

 

Ya say your only 21 ah? I was already older than that when the first Radio Shack TRS-80 came out. My first so-called computer was a Balley Game machine with a game cartridge that had Palo Alto Tiny Basic on it. Later, (after several other devices) my first actual PC ran DOS 3.3.

 

You could say I pre-date computers because I was already married and had a daughter back when Steve Jobs, the Whoz, and Bill Gates were just starting to figure out how to make a home computer and/or OS for one.

 

That should give you some idea how old (and slow) I am now LOL.

 

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Re: Sansa Fuze Firmware Update

Good update,,it does make sense for the current updates,if you go through music list there's no way to go back to current playing track w/o pressing the menu twice...over all the update would be a major face lift for most..thanks
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Re: Sansa Fuze Firmware Update


miltst wrote:

Conversionbox wrote:

mngrif wrote:

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Now for the really bad... Pressing and holding "next" while listening to a song in Folder mode (YAAAY!!!) does not fast forward! It changes songs, and keeps changing them as long as you have it held down.  I'm absolutely positive this isn't the intended action because in every other view it fast forwards, which is why I'm bringing it up. Since I mostly listen to hour+ long DJ mixes, this pretty much makes the folder view useless Smiley Sad

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Good catch on the fast forward thing (Just tried it myslef and yup it just skips). As for the corruption, try switching to msc mode loading the songs back on the player, and then running the chkdsk utility, that may help.


Do both of you happen to have V1 models? Reason I ask is because the FF and RW work just fine on the V2 that I have. The hold left/right to FF/RW and single click to step to next/previous work exactly the same as they always have before even in Folder/File mode on mine.

 


 
"What I'm working with: A 4GB Fuze v1 + 2GB SanDisk uSD (and Koss Plugs, for those interested)" Yes, a v1. Also, my bad, it's a Kingston uSD. The SanDisk is my 1GB card in my phone...
I always use MSC mode. The option was a selling point for me. Mostly I was sold by the FLAC and OGG support, I'm a big fan of open standards and non-proprietary stuff Smiley Very Happy
My Ubuntu 8.04 fsck.vfat craps out  because of the odd partitioning, and has since I got it. Win XP's ... thing, says it's OK.
After some listening and general rocking out, I realized that the music on the uSD wasn't showing. I plugged it in to my computer, explorer.exe crashed beautifully but the system survived. When I went to open the drive it didn't have a name, and I was requested to Please Insert A Disk. Now I'm back to it hanging on the refresh again. I popped the card in my reader and it recognized just fine, XP's fsck says it's clean with no bad sectors. I just tried with the aforementioned different known good card, and it works fine. If nobody else reports anything like this, let's chalk it up to convenient hardware failure even though the card works fine elsewhere... unless anyone has any ideas. This makes for a good excuse to upgrade for no good reason Smiley Happy
 
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Re: Sansa Fuze Firmware Update

How's this for *really* weird, the song skipping instead of fast forwarding thing is sporadic or has managed to fix itself! I can't replicate it again. The original conditions I found it under are under the MTP part of the Folder view mode. I was deleteing some god-awful-horrible music a friend put on it and discovered that it would skip instead of FF.

 

Maybe that uSD card has an evil spirit about it...

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Re: Sansa Fuze Firmware Update


@mngrif wrote:

How's this for *really* weird, the song skipping instead of fast forwarding thing is sporadic or has managed to fix itself! I can't replicate it again. The original conditions I found it under are under the MTP part of the Folder view mode. I was deleteing some god-awful-horrible music a friend put on it and discovered that it would skip instead of FF.

 

Maybe that uSD card has an evil spirit about it...


In the post just before this one, you mentioned the problem seemed to occur with a Kingston uSD card.

 

Several people have mentioned (in other posts) about there being some problems with using Kinston memory cards. So, that may very likely be the source of all your problems.

 

I'm not sure if there is something actually wrong with the Kingston memory cards, or if maybe they are not Formatted to the proper specification.

 

A number of people have mentioned using the Panasonic Memory Card Formatting Software to correct problems they had with memory cards. You might want to give that a try. Just be sure you have good (not corrupted) backups of your files so you can put them back on the card again after formatting it. You'll have to be in MSC mode (or else use a seperate card reader) to do the formatting.

 

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Re: Sansa Fuze Firmware Update


@mngrif wrote:

How's this for *really* weird, the song skipping instead of fast forwarding thing is sporadic or has managed to fix itself! I can't replicate it again. The original conditions I found it under are under the MTP part of the Folder view mode. I was deleteing some god-awful-horrible music a friend put on it and discovered that it would skip instead of FF.

 

Maybe that uSD card has an evil spirit about it...


That screwy Microsoft MTP mode crap could very likely be the source of the problems. I've had all kinds of problems with folder and file names getting changed to have numbers in them, and also file corruption problems when using MTP. In fact, I think 90% of all the problems I've read about for any of the Sansa player models seem to have been reported by people using MTP mode. Nothing Microsoft has ever come up with has ever worked right, so I wouldn't trust their foolish MTP crap to work right either. Since I will never buy any music with DRM, and have no need for Rhapsody Channels, and don't plan to every sync with Windows Media Player... I changed to using only MSC mode on all my Sansa players quite some time ago.

 

Since using only MSC mode I think I've had only one problem and that was some kind of fluke where the Sansa Media Converted produced a corrupted file. Just deleted it from the player and ran it thru again and it came out OK the 2nd time.

 

Unfortunately, for us that want to use only MSC mode... Just about every firmware update defaults the USB mode back to MTP (or Auto Detect). So, I always double check that setting and change it back to MSC right after any firmware upgrade (have to always change the clock setting back to 12 hours instead of 24 also).

 

Personally, I wish all of the portable player manufacturers had rebelled against ever putting MTP mode on their players way back when Microsoft first came up with that stupid crappy idea. It's _not_ something that was ever needed, not even for DRM crippled music files. The older Sansa e200R (Rhapsody) models could work with DRM and Rhapsody channels in MSC mode. In fact, the "Rhapsody" USB mode setting on those players was in fact MSC mode and that's the only way the Rhapsody software worked with those players. [The PlaysForSure mode on the e200R was Microsoft's MTP mode for use with Windows Media Player which, of course, nobody cared about otherwise they would not have specifically purchased the Rhapsody version of the e200]

 

Too bad all the companies keep jumping on the Microsoft band wagon. That just keep creating more and more problems for everyone!

 

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Re: Sansa Fuze Firmware Update


@XCFan wrote:

I have noticed that with the Folder Navigation, with long album names for the folders, they appear with a string of numbers before them for example,

The Chronicles of Narnia Prince Caspian Soundtrack

 

and

 

A Child's Celebration of Rock 'n' Roll 


If you transferred those over to your Fuze in MTP mode... MTP has a bad habit of altering folder and file names by adding long numbers on the front of them. That really makes a screwed up mess to try and straighten out later if you ever need to copy the files back onto your computer. That's just one of the reasons I will not use MTP mode and always use MSC instead now. 

 

If the files were transfered in MSC mode... Then it's possible that the orginal files may have some additional numbers as part of their folder/file names. Remember, when viewing things in Folder mode your are looking at the actual folder/filename and not the Artist/Album/Title ID3 tag info like you were normally seeing before. That's the main reason so many were screaming for Folder/File view to be added. That way they can make up whatever weird folder or file names they want to look up there music with (instead of the more proper Artist/Album/Title naming from the ID3 tags).