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Re: SanDisk Developing 128 GB Micro-SD!!!!


@JK98 wrote:

I wouldn't say it is misleading except if an ad suggests adding a 16 gig card to the player but doesn't mention the song limit. Enough people use 192 kbps or a higher bitrate and have songs averaging over 5 minutes long, so even with 24 gigs storage in the player and the memory full, the song count is still below 4,000.



Sorry, but I'm not buying that. SanDisk make the Fuze with a card slot and Sandisk make 16GB cards. It's unimaginable that they haven't considered customers using one with the other. I can get more than 4120 192kbps Ogg Vorbis tracks into 24GB easily. Most people rip for portable players at a lower rate. Almost every DAP manufacturer estimates capacity based on rates less than 192kbps. I can't see how Sansa aren't misleading customers at best.

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Re: SanDisk Developing 128 GB Micro-SD!!!!

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This limit can be increased in Firmware.  We are expecting a significant increase (target is 8000 songs) by Q1,  2009.
Message Edited by sansafix on 12-11-2008 12:06 PM
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Re: SanDisk Developing 128 GB Micro-SD!!!!


@sansafix wrote:
This limit can be increased in Firmware.  We are expecting a significant increase (target is 8000 songs) by Q1,  2009.
Message Edited by sansafix on 12-11-2008 12:06 PM

Thankyou sansafix.

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Re: SanDisk Developing 128 GB Micro-SD!!!!


@Fifer wrote:

@sansafix wrote:
This limit can be increased in Firmware.  We are expecting a significant increase (target is 8000 songs) by Q1,  2009.
Message Edited by sansafix on 12-11-2008 12:06 PM

Thankyou sansafix.


 

DITTO from me! I can hold out swappin' between my 8 gig cards a little while longer, "I hope me and da boyz don't hafta pay youz a visit on 4/01/09, Sansafix" Smiley Wink
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Re: SanDisk Developing 128 GB Micro-SD!!!!


@sansafix wrote:
This limit can be increased in Firmware.  We are expecting a significant increase (target is 8000 songs) by Q1,  2009.

Glad to hear this will be fixed in a firmware update. But isn't targetting 8000 songs a bit short-sighted? In a year or so when people try to fill their 64 GB cards they will hit the limit again, and you might have stopped releasing firmware updates by then.

 

Why is there a song limit at all? Or if there has to be one, why isn't it some ridiculous high number like 65536 or even higher?

 

Do other non-Sansa players have similar limits?

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Re: SanDisk Developing 128 GB Micro-SD!!!!

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They all have limits.

 

These players dont have the kind of power that makes this problem seem simple like on a PC.

 

They have limited memory spaces, and the filesystems slow down linearly with content.

 

Do you remember when your PC had only 360K of RAM ? Or ran at 250 MHz?

 

To make your database access quickly its held in RAM.  As the database grows,  it consumes up all the available memory.

 

if we start swapping things in and out,  using a virtual memory manager,  it will slow down the UI response speed.

 

So what I am telling you is we are working on it, but this generation of technology will allow us to only get so far.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Message Edited by sansafix on 12-11-2008 03:26 PM
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Re: SanDisk Developing 128 GB Micro-SD!!!!


@Fifer wrote:

@JK98 wrote:

I wouldn't say it is misleading except if an ad suggests adding a 16 gig card to the player but doesn't mention the song limit. Enough people use 192 kbps or a higher bitrate and have songs averaging over 5 minutes long, so even with 24 gigs storage in the player and the memory full, the song count is still below 4,000.



Sorry, but I'm not buying that. SanDisk make the Fuze with a card slot and Sandisk make 16GB cards. It's unimaginable that they haven't considered customers using one with the other. I can get more than 4120 192kbps Ogg Vorbis tracks into 24GB easily. Most people rip for portable players at a lower rate. Almost every DAP manufacturer estimates capacity based on rates less than 192kbps. I can't see how Sansa aren't misleading customers at best.


They weren't making 16gb cards when they introduced the Fuze. I have 16.5 GB of music ,and it's less than 4,000 tracks, so as they originally introduced it, it wasn't misleading in the least. And to generalize like "most people rip at lower bitrates" is a stretch....JK98 was correct, a lot of people do rip at higher bitrates or have longer songs. You should be grateful that they are addressing the issue, as opposed to being petulant about the whole thingSmiley Tongue

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Re: SanDisk Developing 128 GB Micro-SD!!!!


@Marvin_Martian wrote:

@Fifer wrote:

@JK98 wrote:

I wouldn't say it is misleading except if an ad suggests adding a 16 gig card to the player but doesn't mention the song limit. Enough people use 192 kbps or a higher bitrate and have songs averaging over 5 minutes long, so even with 24 gigs storage in the player and the memory full, the song count is still below 4,000.



Sorry, but I'm not buying that. SanDisk make the Fuze with a card slot and Sandisk make 16GB cards. It's unimaginable that they haven't considered customers using one with the other. I can get more than 4120 192kbps Ogg Vorbis tracks into 24GB easily. Most people rip for portable players at a lower rate. Almost every DAP manufacturer estimates capacity based on rates less than 192kbps. I can't see how Sansa aren't misleading customers at best.


They weren't making 16gb cards when they introduced the Fuze. I have 16.5 GB of music ,and it's less than 4,000 tracks, so as they originally introduced it, it wasn't misleading in the least. And to generalize like "most people rip at lower bitrates" is a stretch....JK98 was correct, a lot of people do rip at higher bitrates or have longer songs. You should be grateful that they are addressing the issue, as opposed to being petulant about the whole thingSmiley Tongue


They were making 16GB cards when I bought my Fuze with no warning of the limit, which SanDisk were aware of. I did not 'generalise, but stated that I rip at 192kbps and have encountered the limit. It is a fact that most DAP users do rip at lower bit rates. I don't believe I'm being petulant, but have a legitimate complaint. I appreciate it is being addressed, but had Sansa been upfront about the limit, I wouldn't have purchased the product.

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Re: SanDisk Developing 128 GB Micro-SD!!!!

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I'm with you, Fifer.  There was no mention of the 4,000-song limit when I got in the market, either, so I bought an 8 GB Fuze with another 8GB on a microSD card and loaded them up with 12,000 WMA files -- my entire CD collection -- only to find it can only "see" a third of them.  To say I feel ripped off is an understatement.

 

And while I appreciate the fact that some work is being done to address this, the Q1 2009 firmware update announced by Sansafix will still only bring the capacity up to 8,000 songs.  If raising the limit any higher is a problem because reading the database causes the unit to run out of memory, then there needs to be an option allowing us more-advanced users to bypass the database approach altogether and simply navigate folders.

 

Otherwise we are stuck with these crippled machines, purchased with the understanding that their capacity is much higher than it truly is.  Let us get what we paid for.

Message Edited by dennisqwilson on 12-11-2008 05:07 PM
Message Edited by dennisqwilson on 12-11-2008 05:08 PM
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Re: SanDisk Developing 128 GB Micro-SD!!!!

Yes, you're going to listen to all 4,000 songs at once. My heart goes out to you for not being able to load gargantuan amounts of music onto a simplistic MP3 player, it must be so terrible to be unable to load 90,000 songs on it. I can't imagine the pain you must be going through. Do you need a hug?
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