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Fuze or Clip+ for my wife?

My wife surprised me when I asked if she would like a portable player to play music that she likes, and she said yes.  She would use it while walking and in the car using an FM transmitter gizmo that I already have for my mp3 player.

 

She never used a computer in her life and doesn't want to learn.  She can operate her DVD recorder with hard drive to record, and she knows how to navigate the playback menu to play TV shows that she recorded.  She doesn't know how to set timer recordings on the DVDR so I have to do it for her.  She is far sighted and needs glasses for reading but usually doesn't wear them.

 

1. Do you think that a Fuze is simple enough for her to enjoy using to play songs?  I would do all of the loading for her and be responsible for recharging the battery.

 

2. Is the text display on the Fuze larger than normal book or newpaper print size so she can read it without her glasses to select songs?  Or are there thumbnails that she could see without her glasses?  Will she be able to navigate to the thumbnails without her glasses?

 

3. Do you think that a Fuze is simple enough for her to navigate to view photos on it?  Although this is not a requirement, I think she would enjoy doing that since her cell phone is a really simple one without photo display capability.

 

If you need more info about my wife to answer my questions, please let me know.

 

Thanks,

Sky

 

 

 

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Re: Fuze or Clip+ for my wife?

I forgot to add that as far as using the Fuze while walking, she won't mind wearing a small fanny pack and

just putting the Fuze in it.  No need to clip it to her clothes like the Clip+ can do.

 

 

I'm wondering whether she would have a harder time navigating the Clip+ due to it's tiny size and small 3

line display.  I'm hoping that the Fuze's larger display will be more readable for her without her glasses,

but she can wear her glasses if necessary.

 

Sky

 

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I'd say the font on the Fuze is about 14-point type, about 1/8" high, just a little taller than what comes up on my laptop screen with this forum. Books and newspapers are generally 10-point. It's a very clear and well-spaced font, very readable. It's an 8-line display for the list of Artists, and the screen is 1.2 inches high. 

 

For Photos, you just rotate the wheel to Photos and get a choice of Photos A-Z or Thumbnails. All I have on mine is album covers, and the thumbnails are not for the far-sighted, but it might be different with larger photos. 

 

The Fuze won't need a fanny pack--it's the length of your index finger more or less. Pocket-size.  Of course the Clip is smaller.

 

A lot of electronics stores--Best Buy, Radio Shack--have the Sansas on display so you could get a hands-on idea of the size. 

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The display on the Fuze is much easier to read than the Clip+'s display. The Fuze also has longer battery life than the Clip+. The only advantages to the Clip+ over the Fuze are the much smaller size and built in clip.

The Fuze is also much easier to search for songs on than the Clip+. I guess you don't have a local store where you could see both of them.

 

If she would tend to let albums play through then the Clip+ would be okay, but if she wants to search for individual songs, then you should get her the fuze. I find that searching for individual songs on a Clip or Clip+ isn't worth the effort, while it is easy on the Fuze.

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My vote is for the fuze.

 

The fuze's display is almost double that of the clip+ with a 24 hour max battery life compared to 15 hours for the clip+.

 

IMO navigating the various menus is straightforward.  You can check this thread, it'll have a link to the User Manual, to get an idea of what the various menus are like and how they work.  It'll also have pictures of what will be on the display as you go through the different menus.

 

The text size is pretty much the same as in a paperback book.  As for photo thumbnails, they're very tiny so she'll have to either use her glasses or a magnifying glass, as I want to do at times.  The thumbnails will be displayed 4 across by 3 down on a 1.9 inch screen.  She can access photos through a list of photo names too.

 

The clip+ isn't made to display photos nor video.

 

If you choose the fuze for her, I recommend also getting a screen protector and a case for it.  The screen and body can be easily scratched.

 

The only button that may be a little difficult to use, especially with a case on the player, is the power/hold button on the side.  It slides up and down.  It doesn't stick out very far and I usually have to use my thumbnail to move it.

 

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Black-Rectangle, JK98 and mags1230,

Thanks a lot for your helpful replies.  It sounds like a Fuze will be easier for my wife to use so I'll get that for her.  I have a few more questions:

1. What's the advantage of buying a "4 GB Fuze" verses a "2 GB Fuze with a 4 GB microSD card always plugged in"?  I mean operation wise and ignoring the additional 2 GB.  I'm concerned about extra steps needed with a microSD card since the operation needs to be as simple as possible for my wife's use.  Reading the User Guide "Playing music from a preloaded microSD Card" it seems that the microSD card does require extra steps but I just want to confirm this.

2. It seems that when using a micro sd card, the Fuze has to "refresh" it initially which I've read can take about 2 minutes.  If the card is always left in the slot, does the refresh still have to take place on every power on?

3. What's the slowest micro sd card to buy to retain full functionality of the Fuze?  I see micro sd cards with class 2, 4 and 6 ratings.  I haven't been able to find this information in the User Guide.

4. Are there any known problems with certain brands of microSD cards when used in a Fuze?  I could not find a "recommended microSD cards" list in the User Guide.  Most likely I would buy Kingston, Patriot or Transcend microSD cards since I've had good success with those brands in my digital cameras and they are usually cheaper.

Thanks,
Sky

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The only advantage of the larger-capacity Fuze is....larger capacity. It's up to you where you want to store the music and how much you are going to stuff onto it.

 

I don't know what the user manual says about extra steps, but in my experience there are none. You can drag-and-drop onto the card or onto the unit exactly the same way. 

 

Since you are going to be loading the content for your wife, you might prefer to keep everything on the removable MicroSD, load it on your computer and just hand it over. But it's up to you.

 

The refresh takes place only  if you have changed the content on the card or the unit. 

 

A slow card should be fine. You need a faster one for your camera because you are writing lots of information quickly, but reading, which is what the Fuze does, isn't so critical. 

 

People have reported problems playing back video, just video,  on Kingston cards. There was a recent post a while back from an unhappy Transcend user followed by a happy one, so it seems to be luck of the draw, or user error. Video playback is the trickiest thing the Fuze does, and it doesn't always do it well. Music is a lot more reliable. 

 

Put your MicroSD brand into the search box and see what you get. 

 

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Meanwhile...have you ever had an mp3 player? (Or a music-equipped cell phone, etc.) There's always a learning curve, but the Sansa one is mercifully short.  Y

 

You should be aware that the Fuze has two USB modes for how music is loaded: MSC and MTP. The idea was to provide maximum flexibility for users. The reality is that it can sometimes provide more confusion. 

 

MSC works like any other drive on your computer--drag-and-drop. Two drives show up in My Computer: the unit and the card. (There are third-party programs that can make playlists, etc., for MSC mode.) 

 

MTP works with Windows Media Player and is necessary for DRM (digital rights misery) information.

 

To me, Windows Media Player is an unnecessary middleman, but the idea was that it provides a more automated interface, equivalent to iTunes for iPod, and some people do like it.  I don't use MTP, and it may have some strictures with the MicroSD card--thanks to copyright owners who want to prevent you from copying files as simply as passing around a MicroSD card. 

 

When you get the Fuze, it will be on Auto Detect, which will go to MTP mode if your computer has Windows Media Player 10 or 11 installed, MSC if not.  I would immediately (1) download the latest firmware, from the sticky notes at the top of the forum and then (2) switch Settings/System Settings/USB Mode to MSC. 

 

(Every time you update firmware, possibly once or twice a year, it goes back to Auto Detect, so that's why I suggest upgrading before changing the setting.  The current firmware is very reliable, and you could probably use it for a lifetime, though new features may come along in the updates. Don't install Sansa Updater, which keeps calling home each time you connect. The updates just aren't that frequent.) 

 

It's best to stick to one mode because your computer can only see one at a time--either the content you sent via MSC or the content sent by MTP. (The Fuze itself sees all the content.) So leave it in MSC, which is transparent and logical. In MSC, load content by drag-and-drop and you'll always see exactly what's going on. 

 

The next step, as it will be with any mp3 player, is tagging--how the Fuze indexes your files.  If you've been using another mp3 player that's not an iPod, you should already be fine on that front. And if not, the forum is here. 

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Hi Black-Rectangle,

Thanks a lot for keying in all of that information! It clears up the questions I had.

Regarding loading a microSD card on the computer and handing it to my wife, I have a SanDisk Image Mate 12-in-1 unit but it doesn't support microSD cards so I'll have to buy a microSD to SD adapter.  Thanks for triggering the adapter purchase idea.

While lurking more on this forum, I did see a post that advised against using Kingston 8 GB class-4 cards so I'll not buy any Kingston cards for the Fuze.  I will search the forum for microSD cards I want to buy before I purchase them per your suggestion.

Yes, I am using an iRiver mp3 player now for listening to talk radio while walking.  I download the broadcasts in mp3 format on my computer and then drag them into the appropriate folders in the iRiver using the iRiver Manager software.  

Thanks a lot for explaining the MSC and MTP modes used on the Fuze.  I saw them mentioned in some posts but never really understood them until your post.

I was planning to use Windows Media Player to drag music from CDs "directly" into the Fuze.  I'm under the impression that WMP will automatically convert the CD files to mp3 files to be compatible with the Fuze.  But I hadn't thought of Windows Media Player and DRM preventing that.  I'll search the forum for another program that can convert CD audio files to mp3 and use MSC mode like you to accomplish my goal.

Thanks a lot!
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" was planning to use Windows Media Player to drag music from CDs "directly" into the Fuze. I'm under the impression that WMP will automatically convert the CD files to mp3 files to be compatible with the Fuze. But I hadn't thought of Windows Media Player and DRM preventing that. I'll search the forum for another program that can convert CD audio files to mp3 and use MSC mode like you to accomplish my goal."

 

The default for Windows Media Player is to rip to protected wma files. When you start Windows Media Player, click on the rip tab and choose mp3. MP3 files are never protected. Click on the rip tab again, and choose a bitrate. I suggest choosing 192 kbps or 256 kbps. Use 256 kbps for the best sound quality, or 192 kbps to fit more music on the player.

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>>> The default for Windows Media Player is to rip to protected wma files. When you start Windows Media Player, click on the rip tab and choose mp3. MP3 files are never protected. Click on the rip tab again, and choose a bitrate. I suggest choosing 192 kbps or 256 kbps. Use 256 kbps for the best sound quality, or 192 kbps to fit more music on the player. <<<

 

Hi JK98,

 

I'll give WMA a try for ripping CDs to MP3.  And the bit rate info you gave is golden since I wasn't sure what bit rate to use.

 

Thanks!

Sky