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Re: Before buying: songs playing at a slower speed?

 You know this is just about the stupidest thread i've seen on these boards.Most people (except apparently those with infallible internal clocks) would never notice a  one second variance in the speed of any given song.Who cares,besides which,i really tend to doubt that this supposed "flaw" even exsists.Life is way to short to let this little of a problem hang me up.Like somebody else posted,i can live with it. 
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Re: Before buying: songs playing at a slower speed?


@shmince wrote:
 You know this is just about the stupidest thread i've seen on these boards.Most people (except apparently those with infallible internal clocks) would never notice a  one second variance in the speed of any given song.Who cares,besides which,i really tend to doubt that this supposed "flaw" even exsists.Life is way to short to let this little of a problem hang me up.Like somebody else posted,i can live with it. 

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Re: Before buying: songs playing at a slower speed?

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@shmince wrote:
Who cares,besides which,i really tend to doubt that this supposed "flaw" even exsists.
 
Translation: Prefer disbelieving others to trying it your self.  Though, as I said, mine is a Clip, it's pitch accuracy was 20x further off than any of the 5 other players I tried.  If this is just a lack of calibration, then some will be closer. 

 

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Re: Before buying: songs playing at a slower speed?


@donp wrote:

@shmince wrote:
Who cares,besides which,i really tend to doubt that this supposed "flaw" even exsists.
 
Translation: Prefer disbelieving others to trying it your self.  Though, as I said, mine is a Clip, it's pitch accuracy was 20x further off than any of the 5 other players I tried.  If this is just a lack of calibration, then some will be closer. 

 

Message Edited by donp on 02-15-2009 04:06 PM

Actual Translation: This Thread is 9 pages long. I know it wont matter to those of you who beat this drum to death but I, on a whim asked some of my Friends in the music Business whose music I have on my Fuze to listen to the songs and they hear ZERO Difference. And they wrote words and the music, recorded the songs, Mixed and mastered the album, and have played them thousands if not millions of times. If they dont hear a difference then one is not there. Perfect pitch and a degree in music from Juilliard, as well as 15 years as a professional musician is more than enough proof for me. Let it go already.


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Re: Before buying: songs playing at a slower speed?

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For musicians who use the Fuze, it's a major issue, really a complete dealbreaker that makes the device useless for them if they can't get the music to play at the correct pitch.

 

 

It amazes me how people cling to the anachronistic belief that "bad words," in and of themselves, are harmful to anyone. Heaven forbid that a child hears a word that describes how s/he was created. We can't have our children being too knowledgeable about the natural world around them, that would be "bad."

 

Or heaven forbid that children hear a word that describes a material that everyone is well familiar with, which comes out of our rear ends every day.  

 

Words in and of themselves don't harm people, it's the way in which they're used that can be harmful. To curse in frustration at pathological business practices doesn't harm anyone, and in fact helps society by bringing attention to the problem of pathological business practices. 

 

When words are used in a threatening or demeaning manner, that is harmful to children and should be avoided.  I find it quite idiosyncratic that many people who would not use a "bad" word in front of a child, would not hesitate to threaten or demean that child if they "misbehave."  Or that "bad" words are considered unsuitable for children to hear in media regardless of their context, while violence in media is considered suitable so long as the depiction of violence is sufficiently unrealistic (i.e. less gory with less harmful consequences than if the violent act were actually performed).

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Re: Before buying: songs playing at a slower speed?

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@Conversionbox wrote:

@donp wrote:

@shmince wrote:
Who cares,besides which,i really tend to doubt that this supposed "flaw" even exsists.
 
Translation: Prefer disbelieving others to trying it your self.  Though, as I said, mine is a Clip, it's pitch accuracy was 20x further off than any of the 5 other players I tried.  If this is just a lack of calibration, then some will be closer. 

 

Message Edited by donp on 02-15-2009 04:06 PM

Actual Translation: This Thread is 9 pages long. I know it wont matter to those of you who beat this drum to death but I, on a whim asked some of my Friends in the music Business whose music I have on my Fuze to listen to the songs and they hear ZERO Difference. And they wrote words and the music, recorded the songs, Mixed and mastered the album, and have played them thousands if not millions of times. If they dont hear a difference then one is not there. Perfect pitch and a degree in music from Juilliard, as well as 15 years as a professional musician is more than enough proof for me. Let it go already.


 

The files that you played for your friends weren't experiencing the "slow/low pitch playback" problem.

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Re: Before buying: songs playing at a slower speed?

I'm late to the party.    Can someone make available one of these slow rate songs.  I'd like to download and do some testing.    Please Smiley Happy
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Re: Before buying: songs playing at a slower speed?

If you read all the way back... The OP asked about a review which said there was slow playback, but it rapidly evolved when several people reported EVERY song plays back slow. If Certain tracks were an issue then thats something that can be resolved. But If every track plays slow then you have the issue that takes up most of this thread.

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Re: Before buying: songs playing at a slower speed?

I finally read everything.  Interesting subject.    mp3geek did some nice tests.   Glad I don't notice any tone difference Smiley Happy

 

I'd be interested in knowing more about the timing source used in the fuze/clip.

 

Now I'd like to test my devices and see how they rate.

 

 

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Re: Before buying: songs playing at a slower speed?

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I've spent my life (all 50 years of it, anyway) surrounded by top music professionals.  With myself, many of my international orchestra colleagues have watched music go from acetate discs to stamped vinyl to tape to CD to data streams.

 

All - every one - of my 900+ mp3s play slow and off pitch on the Fuze.  Again, they have come to me from countless odd sources.  They're all off.

 

If I or any one of my colleagues played that far off pitch and speed they'd be fired in a minute.  When you practice a song over and over thousands of times, you own it and nothing will match the cadence and pitch that exists in your embedded mind.  You can be 'close' and find it acceptable, but the Fuze (mine anyway) isn't so.  Any musician worth his/her ear will hear the defect on this particular Fuze.  If others have not heard it on their own players, then there is a variation to the defect that is not present in all Fuze players.

 

Digital replication should be extremely accurate.  That's about the only thing going for it, because the medium and compressed formats already strip most tracks of their real souls.

 

When music is reproduced the way the artists intend for it to be, the public is treated to something special.  When the reproduction is compromised, the public has been cheated of that very special thing.  Consider viewing a reproduction of the Mona Lisa under fluorescent illumination through a telescope.  That's not the real thing and it becomes difficult to appreciate its beauty.

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