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[Marvin_Martian]

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@jj2me wrote:

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1. Fuze.  That's functionally a big Clip+.   Problem solved, no?

2. Let's say you don't like the Fuze as a Clip+ "correction."  You just want a bigger Clip+.  So despite others loving the Clip+ exactly for its small size, you want us to have no such choice, and that market to be crushed? 

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As far as I am concerned, the only thing the Fuze has over the Clip+ is battery life and the color screen (for the album art lovers) . But I vastly prefer the buttons of the Clip+ over the Fuze's scrollwheel. I was hoping the Fuze+ would end up being a bigger Clip+, at least control-wise. However, I have two of each, Fuze and Clip+,  and with Rockbox to unleash their capabilities a little more, I have uses for all four players. Will that change when I get a Touch? Perhaps.....that might be the time to sell one of the Fuzes.

I am not a "Fuze-basher" per se.....the Fuze was my first ever MP3 player, and a great way to get into the hobby...(manual? I don't need no steenking manual with this thing).  When the Clip+ hit the scene,though,  I was definitely over the scrollwheel, at least for on-the-go use. Now, I use my V1 Fuze as a source hooked to powered computer speakers at work....set it to shuffle all and it's good to go....and the V2 Fuze for bedtime listening with my Grados. Everywhere else, I use the Clip+'s.

[Miikerman]

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fuze_owner-GB wrote: 

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Oh, mr. outta here is back..  No surprise.

The only way manufacturer's are going to change their products, is by actually listening to customer complaints.  If they don't, it's their loss, not mine.

Not that I need your approval, but since I own a Clip+, I have every right to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the clip+ is corrected.  Oh, and if I ruffle your feathers along the way, all the better....

PS.  I guess you were too busy listening to yourself talk to notice that I really, really like the Fuze+.  Best Sansa product I've ever owned....

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 LOL--  Glad you have your hobby, posting in the thread I started.  

And yes, post as much as you want--but there's no "major design flaw" of the Clip, as much as you post about it.  It's just your issue, that the Clip doesn't fit your fingers. Most people don't have that problem.  You're not ruffling any feathers--you've already established yourself.  And glad you like the Fuze and that it fits your needs (but this is the Clip forum)--that's why companies have different models.  Hopefully you're posting in that forum.

[Miikerman]

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fuze_owner-GB wrote: 

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Oh, mr. outta here is back..  No surprise.

The only way manufacturer's are going to change their products, is by actually listening to customer complaints.  If they don't, it's their loss, not mine.

Not that I need your approval, but since I own a Clip+, I have every right to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the clip+ is corrected.  Oh, and if I ruffle your feathers along the way, all the better....

PS.  I guess you were too busy listening to yourself talk to notice that I really, really like the Fuze+.  Best Sansa product I've ever owned....

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 LOL--  Glad you have your hobby, posting in the thread I started.  

And yes, post as much as you want--but there's no "major design flaw" of the Clip, as much as you post about it.  It's just your issue, that the Clip doesn't fit your fingers. Most people don't have that problem.  You're not ruffling any feathers--you've already established yourself.  And glad you like the Fuze and that it fits your needs (but this is the Clip forum)--that's why companies have different models.  Hopefully you're posting in that forum.

[Marvin_Martian]

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@Miikerman wrote:

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fuze_owner-GB wrote: 

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Oh, mr. outta here is back..  No surprise.

The only way manufacturer's are going to change their products, is by actually listening to customer complaints.  If they don't, it's their loss, not mine.

Not that I need your approval, but since I own a Clip+, I have every right to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the clip+ is corrected.  Oh, and if I ruffle your feathers along the way, all the better....

PS.  I guess you were too busy listening to yourself talk to notice that I really, really like the Fuze+.  Best Sansa product I've ever owned....

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 LOL--  Glad you have your hobby, posting in the thread I started.  

And yes, post as much as you want--but there's no "major design flaw" of the Clip, as much as you post about it.  It's just your issue, that the Clip doesn't fit your fingers. Most people don't have that problem.  You're not ruffling any feathers--you've already established yourself.  And glad you like the Fuze and that it fits your needs (but this is the Clip forum)--that's why companies have different models.  Hopefully you're posting in that forum.

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and says you can't play the "but this is the Clip forum" card, when you started this thread, which is titled "Re: iPod touch: and so, where's the microSD slot?!?" in the Clip forum.

[Marvin_Martian]

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fuze_owner-GB wrote: 

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Oh, mr. outta here is back..  No surprise.

The only way manufacturer's are going to change their products, is by actually listening to customer complaints.  If they don't, it's their loss, not mine.

Not that I need your approval, but since I own a Clip+, I have every right to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the clip+ is corrected.  Oh, and if I ruffle your feathers along the way, all the better....

PS.  I guess you were too busy listening to yourself talk to notice that I really, really like the Fuze+.  Best Sansa product I've ever owned....

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 LOL--  Glad you have your hobby, posting in the thread I started.  

And yes, post as much as you want--but there's no "major design flaw" of the Clip, as much as you post about it.  It's just your issue, that the Clip doesn't fit your fingers. Most people don't have that problem.  You're not ruffling any feathers--you've already established yourself.  And glad you like the Fuze and that it fits your needs (but this is the Clip forum)--that's why companies have different models.  Hopefully you're posting in that forum.

[fuze_owner-GB]

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@Marvin_Martian wrote:

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@Miikerman wrote:

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fuze_owner-GB wrote: 

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Oh, mr. outta here is back..  No surprise.

The only way manufacturer's are going to change their products, is by actually listening to customer complaints.  If they don't, it's their loss, not mine.

Not that I need your approval, but since I own a Clip+, I have every right to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the clip+ is corrected.  Oh, and if I ruffle your feathers along the way, all the better....

PS.  I guess you were too busy listening to yourself talk to notice that I really, really like the Fuze+.  Best Sansa product I've ever owned....

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 LOL--  Glad you have your hobby, posting in the thread I started.  

And yes, post as much as you want--but there's no "major design flaw" of the Clip, as much as you post about it.  It's just your issue, that the Clip doesn't fit your fingers. Most people don't have that problem.  You're not ruffling any feathers--you've already established yourself.  And glad you like the Fuze and that it fits your needs (but this is the Clip forum)--that's why companies have different models.  Hopefully you're posting in that forum.

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and says you can't play the "but this is the Clip forum" card, when you started this thread, which is titled "Re: iPod touch: and so, where's the microSD slot?!?" in the Clip forum.

Good point, MM.  I still think this whole thread is hilarious... How devoted people are to a stupid media player....and how upset they become when someone else doesn't appreciate their "ideal player"....

The clip series could be good players if Sandisk took 5 minutes and did a few things to improve the functionality for those with larger hands and correct the horrid battery life.   Also, to add .aac support would be nice so us users of that format wouldn't have to install the bloated Rockbox.  But, in reallity, I doubt if any of those things will ever happen.  But No big deal for me.  It's quite evident to me that the media player segment of Sandisk's company is more of a hobby than anything else.

Hey, this thread was a good start, but like MM pointed out; it was placed in the wrong section.  There needs to be a iPod or iPod Touch section on the Sansa board!  

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[fuze_owner-GB]

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fuze_owner-GB wrote: 

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Oh, mr. outta here is back..  No surprise.

The only way manufacturer's are going to change their products, is by actually listening to customer complaints.  If they don't, it's their loss, not mine.

Not that I need your approval, but since I own a Clip+, I have every right to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the clip+ is corrected.  Oh, and if I ruffle your feathers along the way, all the better....

PS.  I guess you were too busy listening to yourself talk to notice that I really, really like the Fuze+.  Best Sansa product I've ever owned....

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 LOL--  Glad you have your hobby, posting in the thread I started.  

And yes, post as much as you want--but there's no "major design flaw" of the Clip, as much as you post about it.  It's just your issue, that the Clip doesn't fit your fingers. Most people don't have that problem.  You're not ruffling any feathers--you've already established yourself.  And glad you like the Fuze and that it fits your needs (but this is the Clip forum)--that's why companies have different models.  Hopefully you're posting in that forum.

[fuze_owner-GB]

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@jj2me wrote:

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@fuze_owner-GB wrote:

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I have every right to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the clip+ is corrected. 

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I reread this thread to find out what you think is the major design flaw you want corrected.  It seems it's the small size, which doesn't work for you.

But why would you want that "corrected?"

1. Fuze.  That's functionally a big Clip+.   Problem solved, no?

2. Let's say you don't like the Fuze as a Clip+ "correction."  You just want a bigger Clip+.  So despite others loving the Clip+ exactly for its small size, you want us to have no such choice, and that market to be crushed? 

Really, if you bought the Clip+ sight unseen, it was probably for a better internet price--you takes your chances.  It's time to sell on eBay.

Nah, more bother than it's worth.  Money isn't the issue, the product is.  If I feel that I don't want to keep it any longer, I will have great delight in smashing it to bits using my favorite sledgehammer.....

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[Miikerman]

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@fuze_owner-GB wrote:

The clip series could be good players if Sandisk took 5 minutes and did a few things to improve the functionality for those with larger hands and correct the horrid battery life.   Also, to add .aac support would be nice so us users of that format wouldn't have to install the bloated Rockbox.  But, in reallity, I doubt if any of those things will ever happen.  But No big deal for me.  It's quite evident to me that the media player segment of Sandisk's company is more of a hobby than anything else.

Hey, this thread was a good start, but like MM pointed out; it was placed in the wrong section.  There needs to be a iPod or iPod Touch section on the Sansa board!  

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 I guess SanDisk does have a player for people with "larger fingers":  the Fuze.  But for the life of me, with my Clip in front of me right now, I just don't see a problem for larger fingers (but then, I guess I just don't have them).  I agree that more battery life would be nice--but for a player this size, I can deal with a full day's worth of charge (and just recharge at night).  As to aac support, I also think SanDisk goofed, there--it would help bring in the iPod crowd and more than make up for the aac license fee--or hey, SanDisk, just raise the price of the Clip a dollar.  (But Rockbox bloated?  Maybe in features ...)

And sorry, but I placed this thread here on purpose:  to note the great benifit, again, of the microSD card slot in the small Clip+, when something as nice as the iPod touch doesn't have a slot.  Hey, folks, remember the topic of this thread?  

[Miikerman]

(By the way and off the topic of this thread, I just checked the specs. and it looks like the iPod Shuffle is rated at 15 hours for the battery.  It just looks like for something this small and at this pricepoint, that's "all" that current battery technology allows.  But no doubt, that will increase.)

[slotmonsta]

While everyone has their own opinion on what an ideal PMP is, we need to understand this is not the place for arguments over the issue. Each PMP discussed in this thread is strategically designed for a specific purpose. While the design of a particular device may not fit your needs, calling the intended design of a product a flaw is a little misleading.

The The Clip+ is a player designed specifically for its small size and ultra portability. Comparing the iTouch and the Clip+ is like comparing apples to oranges (no pun intended). If a larger device with touch screen and application capabilities more suites your needs in a PMP then by all means you should pursue a device that has these features. If a small ultra portable PMP with expandable storage fits your needs well then I think there is no player better on the market then the Clip+.  

That being said I would like to urge you all to respect the opinion of others when posting on this forum. There is really no need to bring such a trivial difference of opinion to an argument like this thread has become. 

Forum Admin

slotmonsta

[fuze_owner-GB]

Thanks for your explanation of the Sansa product line.  It makes it clearer than ever to me that Sansa products are not the correct fit for me.  I, being a quality minded individual, and Sandisk being a budget minded one.....we are worlds apart.

See y'all on the flip-side...I'm off to iLounge....

[Miikerman]

LOL.  I have a quality player, universally seen as such, that meets my needs in the ultraportable field, with screen, FM radio, recordability, folder navigation, and expandability via a microSD slot (the original topic of this thread, and which it would be great to see consumers demanding in all players)--it's a Sansa Clip+.  Coincidentally, it also comes at a great price.