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Re: Folders (Let me just say it again.)


@giltic wrote:

 

if there are no tags on the CD, is there a way Flac ripper/converter could show/write tags to my ripped songs without going to the internet and finding tags from some database?

 


EAC does it! For me it searches freedb automatically when inserting a new CD, but in case it doesn't, I go to Database --> Get CD Information from --> remote freedb and done!

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Re: Folders (Let me just say it again.)

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EAC does it! For me it searches freedb automatically when inserting a new CD, but in case it doesn't, I go to Database --> Get CD Information from --> remote freedb and done!

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I was saying that in my previous post. Ripping program MUST have acess to the internet to search database for tags to write. I do it manually: first ripp, then permit Tag&Rename acess to internet to write tags and then I block his acess again. I don't like if my programs have acess to internet.

Usually I don't do tags. I have my music in folders - folder name is the name of Artist+Album and file names of MP3-s in that folder are the names of songs- no tags needed.

But because of Sandisk ''excellent support of folders'' Smiley Wink I have to mess with **c**n tags. When I get tags I manually rewrite them to make myself some sort of folders, so I can search my music in Clip like I would in computer by folders (look my previous posts).

 

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Re: Folders (Let me just say it again.)

Wow, you tag-lovers are really doing your best to missunderstand, aren't you?

The whole dos/windows concept is based on files and folders.

Draging and dropping files into folders is fast and easy - you don't need an extra program - not even a free one!

All mp3s/flacs/whatevers are files organised in folders on your computer.

Not all the files have id-tags.

 

Folder browsing adds simplicity to the user interface - and that is a very important factor for a product such as the clip. The requests for folder browsing will of course not stop untill SanDisk explain why this feature is not included - and probably not even then...
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Re: Folders (Let me just say it again.)

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@dannej wrote:

Wow, you tag-lovers are really doing your best to missunderstand, aren't you?


I don't think so.  I think we may have a better understanding of marketing than you do.

 

My guess is that the average DAP user is MUCH more inclined to use a music manager program like WMP, iTunes, Rhapsody etc. than they are to open Windows Explorer and organize their music collection into folders.  Their music collection is likely already tagged as the songs in it are likely to have been ripped from CD via one of these music manager programs, or purchased from a source like amazon.com or iTunes.

 

For God sakes, man.  There are novice computer users who have never even OPENED Windows Explorer, much less know what a disk directory is.

 

So SanDisk markets to the average user.  And as has been previously stated, they COULD add folder browsing, but then they'd have to support all the users who happen upon it in their Sansa's menu, don't understand it but try to use it, and can't figure it out.

 

Millions of dollars spent by happy iPod users - do you think Apple made a bad decision in not adding folder support?

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You _may_ have a better understanding of marketing than I, and then I must congratulate you to what, I am sure, is a very successful career in the field...

 

However, our marketing skills aren't really the question here, are they?

 

I am sure a lot of people have never opened explorer, but I think that SanDisk would like to service also to those who have.

 

The argument that adding a feature would cause more support issues is almost to weak to comment on. Just put it in a submenu then - if people have managed to miss Windows Explorer during all those hours in front of their computer screen, I am quite sure they will pass by this feature without noticing it as well.

 

And btw yes I think apple made a misstake - i know they missed out on at least one customer because of this...

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Re: Folders (Let me just say it again.)


@dannej wrote:

 

The argument that adding a feature would cause more support issues is almost to weak to comment on. Just put it in a submenu then - if people have managed to miss Windows Explorer during all those hours in front of their computer screen, I am quite sure they will pass by this feature without noticing it as well.

 

And btw yes I think apple made a misstake - i know they missed out on at least one customer because of this...


 

Oh, man.  You compare the presence of an item on a small menu on an MP3 player to the existence of Windows Explorer on a system owned by a user who understands music in terms of Artists, Albums and Songs, and not operating system directories?  Talk about a weak argument.

 

And if you think that Apple made a mistake in their design of iPods and iTunes, I'm not sure what you judge to be "success" for a company that likes to make profits.

 

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Re: Folders (Let me just say it again.)

I thik that every planet must have one country (which country is the biggest market for Sandisk products?) of dumb folks so I guess it is beter not to have folders in MP3 players then write miles or user manuals (don't use folders to store food, you must not use folders to wash small kids, folders are not ment to be used for drying pets) and have a few thousands of employees to answer all the calls ''how to use folders''.
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PPlanet: You really are a true tag fundamentalist, aren't you? :-)

Your sole argument seems to be that people are too stupid to use folders. I don't agree, lets leave it at that. As for apple, I have never denied their success in selling technically below-pair products with good marketing and a design USP in the ease of use. However, when it comes to excluding folder functionality it is not adding to the ease of use in my opinion. The same of course goes for the sansa players.

 

Giltic: I think you're really on to something there :-) But maybe they could include it in the european version...

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Re: Folders (Let me just say it again.)

Giltic: I think you're really on to something there :-) But maybe they could include it in the european version...

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I certainly hope they will.

We won't call Sandisk support because of folders and lawsuit over a hot coffee.

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Re: Folders (Let me just say it again.)

Folders more difficult than tags?  Interesting.  Try explaining to someone how to add to or amend tags in a file ...