Folders (Let me just say it again.)

"I know. I’m going for the “squeaky wheel” approach. “Fol-DERS! Fol-DERS!” Come on, everybody! “Fol-DERS!”


“I’m beating the dead horse because, as I said, I’m hoping the squeaky wheel will get a little grease on an upcoming firmware release.”


_ "FOLDERS PLEASE!!!  _"


“It’s not “odd”, it the NORMAL way of the computer world. We’ve been using FOLDERS for over 30 YEARS! What’s wrong with doing things the RIGHT way?”


"Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders

FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs

foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldER

At least give me the choice! I mean, it is MY toy! Let my do it MY way! Fix the **bleep** PROGRAM!"


"I want folders!    I want folders!    I want folders!    I want folders!

Sansa, give us folder support. If you can’t do it, hire some capable programmers to do it for you."


I think there are several here who need a ‘time-out’!

I copied & pasted these quotes from this ‘never-ending’ thread to demonstrate how silly & childish some of you really sound! Expressing your opinions and wishes is one thing, but constantly harping on this issue in this juvenile way is not only counter-productive but most assuredly is not going to convince SanDisk to change their minds on the subject.

SanDisk has moved on . . . maybe it’s time you did to?

Message Edited by Tapeworm on 10-28-2008 02:40 PM

Tapeworm, I definitely agree with everything you just posted.  Unfortunately, Sandisk is partly to blame for this whining by recently adding the following to their home page:

 

(Note, not just “for discussions”, but “for questions”.  Sigh.)

Clicking on the link leads the clicker to these forums.  I think this has brought us a whole new set of forum participants who believe that this is some officially sanctioned medium for getting requests submitted to Sandisk.

Message Edited by PromisedPlanet on 10-28-2008 02:05 PM

I’m all for encouraging new Sansa owners to visit and/or join the forum, but the picture and included link do not say (or even imply) that any questions or discussions are directed to, or involved with any ‘official’ voice representing SanDisk.

And expressing one’s opinion and/or point of view is not a bad thing in itself; in fact the 1st Amendment guarantess all of us as citizens in this country this right,  but. . . the incessant p!ssing & moaning by the same few people in multiple threads over 1 subject that has already been said by a representative of SanDisk “probably isn’t going to happen” is definitely not ‘contibuting positively to the community’!

Actually the quote was, “Unfortunately,  implementation on the Clip is not easy due to its very limited memory space.” I read that as, “Sure, anything’s possible; someday pigs might fly too, but don’t hold your breath.”

There are some members here that have over 100 posts under their belts and their latest posts still echo of their 1st. Almost every ‘contribution’ they make, whether it is on subject or not, whether it is asked for or not; includes a re-hash of their wants & desires, and why can’t it be done; it would be so much better; others do it; it should be simple. All this negativity and wasted time, both for them in typing all this up and for all of the rest of us who have to wade through all this muck just to maybe find out something new or perhaps help someone who is having problems. Or just maybe to have an intelligent conversation and/or discussion about something positive or something that has a ‘snowball’s chance in He||’ of happening!

OK . . . We’ve heard you! . . . You’ve made you point! . . . May we please discuss something else now?

Whew . . . I feel so much better now. :smiley:

Message Edited by Tapeworm on 10-28-2008 03:08 PM

@tapeworm wrote:

I’m all for encouraging new Sansa owners to visit and/or join the forum, but the picture and included link do not say (or even imply) that any questions or discussions are directed to, or involved with any ‘official’ voice representing SanDisk.

 

And expressing one’s opinion and/or point of view is not a bad thing in itself; in fact the 1st Amendment guarantess all of us as citizens in this country this right,  but. . . the incessant p!ssing & moaning by the same few people in multiple threads over 1 subject that has already been said by a representative of SanDisk “isn’t going to happen” is definitely not ‘contibuting positively to the community’!

 

There are some members here that have over 100 posts under their belts and their latest posts still echo of their 1st. Almost every ‘contribution’ they make, whether it is on subject or not, whether it is asked for or not; includes a re-hash of their wants & desires, and why can’t it be done; it would be so much better; others do it; it should be simple. All this negativity and wasted time, both for them in typing all this up and for all of the rest of us who have to wade through all this muck just to maybe find out something new or perhaps help someone who is having problems. Or just maybe to have an intelligent conversation and/or discussion about something positive or something that has a ‘snowball’s chance in He||’ of happening!

 

OK . . . We’ve heard you! . . . You’ve made you point! . . . May we please discuss something else now?

 

Whew . . . I feel so much better now. :smiley:

Amen

I think the board administrators should add a sticky wishlist thread to each device-specific board.  Then if some clueless folks insist on demanding the same feature over and over again, at least we can direct them to that thread.

Hey folks, don’t you have something better to do than hang on this forum every day all day long. Go out, have some beer with your friends; find some chicks to have fun with or go to the gym, hit play on the Clip and lift some weights

@giltic wrote:

Hey folks, don’t you have something better to do than hang on this forum every day all day long. Go out, have some beer with your friends; find some chicks to have fun with or go to the gym, hit play on the Clip and lift some weights

Why? Did this strike a nerve?

No, not at all Tapeworm. I’m just having fun browsing this forum and share my ‘Clip joy’ with others.

I got the Clip because it has very good sound and it’s so small and I couldn’t find a store to stock Cowon arround here and

because I’m not really a Sony guy.

So I guess I’ll stay with the Clip - I am waiting for 4G Black version to appear in our stores.

By the way; I live in the EU and I’m tempted to order it from the USA. Do you know any good stores?

Got a problem with the lack of folder support? Save some cash and buy a Cowon D2, or even a T60 :wink: Heard that rockbox may be coming for the clip. That might just solve the problem. Tags ■■■■ monkey b***z, to say the least.

@actionboy wrote:

Tags ■■■■ monkey b***z, to say the least.

Nah, it just depends on how you use your player, where you acquire your audio, etc.

 

I get my music from ripped CDs, amazon.com, and the iTunes Store.  I’ve synced both my Sansa Clip and Sansa Connect with various music manager programs … WMP, MediaMonkey, Rhapsody etc.  I listen exclusively to music (no audio books etc.), and have no need to access a song by any other means than thru Artist, Album or Song Title.  I have no problems with tags, and no problems with a lack of folder support.

 

Different strokes, for different folks, and so on and so on and doobie doobie doobie.

‘‘Nah, it just depends on how you use your player, where you acquire your audio, etc.’’

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Then give us an option !

If you want to use tags then use them - lucky you, Sansa gives this option.

I want to use folders - bad luck for me - no go with Sandisk players.

**bleep**; Clip is such a nice player; but with no folder option - Sandisk programmers ■■■■ big time - they just don’t know how to

incorporate folders it the firmware.

What other reason could it be? :wink:

@giltic wrote:

‘‘Nah, it just depends on how you use your player, where you acquire your audio, etc.’’

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Then give us an option !

If you want to use tags then use them - lucky you, Sansa gives this option.

I want to use folders - bad luck for me - no go with Sandisk players.

**bleep**; Clip is such a nice player; but with no folder option - Sandisk programmers ■■■■ big time - they just don’t know how to

incorporate folders it the firmware.

What other reason could it be? :wink:

 

As Neutron_Bob so elegantly pointed out :wink: … giving users more functionality means more support calls, which means more $ spent by SanDisk.  It’s a trade-off, and my guess is that SanDisk weighed the cost of the additional support calls versus the potential increased sales from adding folder support.

Whereas SanDisk felt that adding MSC mode, for example, would be worth the additional support calls.  Yet take a gander at all the posts to this forum that are a result of the existence of MSC mode, and imagine how many of them would not have been posted if MSC mode hadn’t existed at all.

Whether SanDisk made the right decision about folder support (if that’s what they actually did), well, who knows.  But coming to the conclusion that “Sandisk programmers ■■■■ big time” seems kind of bizarre.  Especially given how amazingly responsive they are to users’ requests in this forum, and how solid the firmware releases have been to date. 

PromisedPlanet; I must agree with you. There is nothing wrong with Sandisk programmers.

I doubt that folder support would increase sales. This is just a side function.

What counts for most people is sound quality and design.

When I ripp my own CD-s I usually don’t bother with tags; I just put songs in folders named by artist and album.

As we said, Clip doesn’t support folders - so what I do…

I open Tag&Rename and change tags like this:

Title: Telegraph Road

Album: Dire Straits - Alchemy

Artist: Dire Straits - Alchemy

If I brouse the music by Album or by Artist I always get the same name (in our case Dire Straits - Alchemy). Thats my way to have folders.

In the case of compilations my tags looks like this:

Title: Dire Straits - Telegraph Road

Album: Compilation 1

Artist: Compilation 1

@giltic wrote:

 

When I ripp my own CD-s I usually don’t bother with tags; I just put songs in folders named by artist and album.

OK on the folders, but … your CD ripper doesn’t tag?

OK on the folders, but … your CD ripper doesn’t tag?

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No.

As far as I know, there are no tags on audio CD-s. I usually use CDex 1.51 CD ripper and converter with Lame MP3 encoder engine 3.98MMX.

First I extract CD tracks to WAV files on the harddisk, then I convert to MP3 - the songs are without tags and with simple names like 01-AudioTrack 01.

I never convert to MP3 directly from CD. For more demanding stuff I use Exact Audio Copy with same procedure - first extract to wav and then convert to MP3.

The next step is Tag&Rename - I can write tags on hand or get tags from Freedb.

When I get tags from Freedb I usually delete all entries except song titles, then manualy rewrite Album and Artist (in my example - Album: Dire Straits - Alchemy ; Artist: Dire Straits - Alchemy).

When I get music from Torrents (usually comes in MP3 format with tags) I also delete all entries except song titles and rewrite album and artist.

@giltic wrote:

OK on the folders, but … your CD ripper doesn’t tag?

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No.

As far as I know, there are no tags on audio CD-s. I usually use CDex 1.51 CD ripper and converter with Lame MP3 encoder engine 3.98MMX.

First I extract CD tracks to WAV files on the harddisk, then I convert to MP3 - the songs are without tags and with simple names like 01-AudioTrack 01.

I never convert to MP3 directly from CD. For more demanding stuff I use Exact Audio Copy with same procedure - first extract to wav and then convert to MP3.

The next step is Tag&Rename - I can write tags on hand or get tags from Freedb.

When I get tags from Freedb I usually delete all entries except song titles, then manualy rewrite Album and Artist (in my example - Album: Dire Straits - Alchemy ; Artist: Dire Straits - Alchemy).

When I get music from Torrents (usually comes in MP3 format with tags) I also delete all entries except song titles and rewrite album and artist.

 

Why not rip to FLAC instead of Wav.  Then you’ll have lossless + tags from your rip.  Then when you convert to MP3, the tags should carry over.  In fact, since you’re already using EAC, you should look into using the REACT automation tool.  Then you could use EAC to rip to both FLAC (or Wav) and MP3 in one shot.  EAC + REACT is a really powerful combo.  Takes a bit of effort to setup, but once you’ve done, it’s awesome.

Skinjob;

there are no tags on my music CD-s.

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‘‘Why not rip to FLAC instead of Wav.  Then you’ll have lossless + tags from your rip.’’ 

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I can agree with you on loosless format, but…

if there are no tags on the CD, is there a way Flac ripper/converter could show/write tags to my ripped songs without going to the internet and finding tags from some database?

@giltic wrote:

 

if there are no tags on the CD, is there a way Flac ripper/converter could show/write tags to my ripped songs without going to the internet and finding tags from some database?

 

EAC does it! For me it searches freedb automatically when inserting a new CD, but in case it doesn’t, I go to Database –> Get CD Information from –> remote freedb and done!

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EAC does it! For me it searches freedb automatically when inserting a new CD, but in case it doesn’t, I go to Database –> Get CD Information from –> remote freedb and done!

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I was saying that in my previous post. Ripping program MUST have acess to the internet to search database for tags to write. I do it manually: first ripp, then permit Tag&Rename acess to internet to write tags and then I block his acess again. I don’t like if my programs have acess to internet.

Usually I don’t do tags. I have my music in folders - folder name is the name of Artist+Album and file names of MP3-s in that folder are the names of songs- no tags needed.

But because of Sandisk ‘‘excellent support of folders’’ :wink: I have to mess with **c**n tags. When I get tags I manually rewrite them to make myself some sort of folders, so I can search my music in Clip like I would in computer by folders (look my previous posts).

Wow, you tag-lovers are really doing your best to missunderstand, aren’t you?

The whole dos/windows concept is based on files and folders.

Draging and dropping files into folders is fast and easy - you don’t need an extra program - not even a free one!

All mp3s/flacs/whatevers are files organised in folders on your computer.

Not all the files have id-tags.

Folder browsing adds simplicity to the user interface - and that is a very important factor for a product such as the clip. The requests for folder browsing will of course not stop untill SanDisk explain why this feature is not included - and probably not even then…