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Re: ID3 Tags (Let me just say it again.)

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@neutron_bob wrote:

 

Nor is asking them to burden their tech support staff with the maelstrom of inevitable complaints about players that "don't work". 


 

Thank you, Neutron.  Thank you.  I've always appreciated your posts of common sense.

 

Message Edited by PromisedPlanet on 10-28-2008 10:39 AM
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Re: ID3 Tags (Let me just say it again.)


ID3 tags are part and parcel of the MP3 standard.  If you have an MP3 file, add the tag.  If you purchase, download from a vendor, rip from your CD collection, or a subscription service, those files will have the requisite metadata in the form of tags.  The only exception here is the Compact Disc, as an Internet connection is needed to pull the tag data from one of the available music databases.

 

MP3Tag does the trick for most users here, and it's a free application.  Windows Media Player 11 has a tag editor, and there are many others.

 

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ID3 tags allow the Sansa to automatically sort your music, making searches relatively trouble-free, and that is the ultimate goal.

 


I think I have to add something from my experience. I have the entire CD collection of The Beatles: the original LPs, not the compilations. But I don't have them all in the Clip all the time (well actually I do, but suppose I don't for the sake of my example). Now, if I want to listen to a compilation (such as the 'Red Album', the 'Blue Album' or my own compilation), I just make a playlist with the indicated songs, tell WMP to transfer the playlist and voila!!: WMP will check which of the songs in the playlists are already in the clip, and will transfer only the ones that are not. No song will be duplicated.

How do you do that with folders? You can't. The only way to do it is duplicating the songs.

The other way around: somebody has a bunch of songs within a folder that do not belong to the same artist or album in a folder. How can the folder be played in the Clip? easy: with playlists!! And before eliasf's script, that could be done easily (though not automatically) with a number of programs (WMP, Winamp, MP3tag...).

 

Conclusion: There are things that can be done with playlists but not with folders. However, I can't think of something that can be done with folders but not with playlists.

 

The only thing I miss in the tag-based sorting is a better handling of compilation albums (i've written a lot about it). I want support for the Album Artist tag!!!

 

Regards

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Re: ID3 Tags (Let me just say it again.)

When you consider the fact that there are many many mp3 players that don't use folders, or don't allow you to browse by folder, I don't really understand why - if folders are the be all and end all for someone - people don't check to see if it is supported.  I mean, if I want a radio, I look to see which have one.  If I want playlists (and I really do), I look to make sure they're supported. 

 

In addition, if I happen to buy something that fundamentally does not work the way I expected it to work, I would return it.  I wouldn't sit waiting for someone to implement something that was never promised and is not something you can expect on every mp3 player ever made.  They are under no obligation to fulfil this particular wish. 

 

Why repeatedly flood a board with the word "folders".  It's frustrating me... some of you really need to chill.  A few minutes with playlists and you would have it working the way you want.  In fact, a few less pointless posts and you would've had time to make about 5 times as many playlists as you would ever require.

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Re: ID3 Tags (Let me just say it again.)

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"I know. I'm going for the "squeaky wheel" approach. "Fol-DERS! Fol-DERS!" Come on, everybody! "Fol-DERS!"

 


"I'm beating the dead horse because, as I said, I'm hoping the squeaky wheel will get a little grease on an upcoming firmware release."

 


"FOLDERS PLEASE!!! "

 


"It's not "odd", it the NORMAL way of the computer world. We've been using FOLDERS for over 30 YEARS! What's wrong with doing things the RIGHT way?"

 


"Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders Folders

 

FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs FoLdErs

 

foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldERS foldER

 

At least give me the choice! I mean, it is MY toy! Let my do it MY way! Fix the **bleep** PROGRAM!"

 


"I want folders!    I want folders!    I want folders!    I want folders!

Sansa, give us folder support. If you can't do it, hire some capable programmers to do it for you."


 

 

I think there are several here who need a 'time-out'!

 

I copied & pasted these quotes from this 'never-ending' thread to demonstrate how silly & childish some of you really sound! Expressing your opinions and wishes is one thing, but constantly harping on this issue in this juvenile way is not only counter-productive but most assuredly is not going to convince SanDisk to change their minds on the subject.

 

SanDisk has moved on . . . maybe it's time you did to?

 

Message Edited by Tapeworm on 10-28-2008 02:40 PM
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Re: ID3 Tags (Let me just say it again.)

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Tapeworm, I definitely agree with everything you just posted.  Unfortunately, Sandisk is partly to blame for this whining by recently adding the following to their home page:

 

 

(Note, not just "for discussions", but "for questions".  Sigh.)

 

Clicking on the link leads the clicker to these forums.  I think this has brought us a whole new set of forum participants who believe that this is some officially sanctioned medium for getting requests submitted to Sandisk.

Message Edited by PromisedPlanet on 10-28-2008 02:05 PM
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Re: ID3 Tags (Let me just say it again.)

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I'm all for encouraging new Sansa owners to visit and/or join the forum, but the picture and included link do not say (or even imply) that any questions or discussions are directed to, or involved with any 'official' voice representing SanDisk.

 

And expressing one's opinion and/or point of view is not a bad thing in itself; in fact the 1st Amendment guarantess all of us as citizens in this country this right, but . . . the incessant p!ssing & moaning by the same few people in multiple threads over 1 subject that has already been said by a representative of SanDisk "probably isn't going to happen" is definitely not 'contibuting positively to the community'!

 

Actually the quote was, "Unfortunately,  implementation on the Clip is not easy due to its very limited memory space." I read that as, "Sure, anything's possible; someday pigs might fly too, but don't hold your breath."

 

There are some members here that have over 100 posts under their belts and their latest posts still echo of their 1st. Almost every 'contribution' they make, whether it is on subject or not, whether it is asked for or not; includes a re-hash of their wants & desires, and why can't it be done; it would be so much better; others do it; it should be simple. All this negativity and wasted time, both for them in typing all this up and for all of the rest of us who have to wade through all this muck just to maybe find out something new or perhaps help someone who is having problems. Or just maybe to have an intelligent conversation and/or discussion about something positive or something that has a 'snowball's chance in He||' of happening!

 

OK . . . We've heard you! . . . You've made you point! . . . May we please discuss something else now?

 

Whew . . . I feel so much better now. Smiley Happy

Message Edited by Tapeworm on 10-28-2008 03:08 PM
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Re: ID3 Tags (Let me just say it again.)


@Tapeworm wrote:

I'm all for encouraging new Sansa owners to visit and/or join the forum, but the picture and included link do not say (or even imply) that any questions or discussions are directed to, or involved with any 'official' voice representing SanDisk.

 

And expressing one's opinion and/or point of view is not a bad thing in itself; in fact the 1st Amendment guarantess all of us as citizens in this country this right, but . . . the incessant p!ssing & moaning by the same few people in multiple threads over 1 subject that has already been said by a representative of SanDisk "isn't going to happen" is definitely not 'contibuting positively to the community'!

 

There are some members here that have over 100 posts under their belts and their latest posts still echo of their 1st. Almost every 'contribution' they make, whether it is on subject or not, whether it is asked for or not; includes a re-hash of their wants & desires, and why can't it be done; it would be so much better; others do it; it should be simple. All this negativity and wasted time, both for them in typing all this up and for all of the rest of us who have to wade through all this muck just to maybe find out something new or perhaps help someone who is having problems. Or just maybe to have an intelligent conversation and/or discussion about something positive or something that has a 'snowball's chance in He||' of happening!

 

OK . . . We've heard you! . . . You've made you point! . . . May we please discuss something else now?

 

Whew . . . I feel so much better now. Smiley Happy


 

Amen
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Re: ID3 Tags (Let me just say it again.)

I think the board administrators should add a sticky wishlist thread to each device-specific board.  Then if some clueless folks insist on demanding the same feature over and over again, at least we can direct them to that thread.

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Re: ID3 Tags (Let me just say it again.)

Hey folks, don't you have something better to do than hang on this forum every day all day long. Go out, have some beer with your friends; find some chicks to have fun with or go to the gym, hit play on the Clip and lift some weights

 

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Re: ID3 Tags (Let me just say it again.)


@giltic wrote:

Hey folks, don't you have something better to do than hang on this forum every day all day long. Go out, have some beer with your friends; find some chicks to have fun with or go to the gym, hit play on the Clip and lift some weights


Why? Did this strike a nerve?