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6,933 something song limit?

I have a Sandisk Sansa 8 gb clip +.  My current firmware verison is V01.02.18A.  As far as I know that is the latests one can get for this because Sandisk nolong makes this device.  I'm a little sad because it appears to have a 6,933 something song limit.  I'm running my songs at 128kbps with an expansion card 32 gb.  I read in the forums, here, that some say it has a 8000 song limit.  That does not seem to be true for me.  What is sad is how I got plenty more space for a whole lot more songs and yet the player can't access them.  Is there any tricks to solving this? 

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Re: 6,933 something song limit?

The database limit can be affected by other factors including the volume of ID3 tags (such as, data in "non-standard" categories) as well as the depth/layers of the storage location.  Simplifying and stripping away "extra" info. can increase the storage capacity.

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Re: 6,933 something song limit?

I don't know much about ID3 tags.  I'm trying to figure out what extra info I could get rid of. 

 

I've always used a program for windows called Mp3tag.

 

The Following Fields is what I fill out.

 

Title:

 

Artist:

 

Album:

 

Year:

 

Track:

 

Genre:

 

Album Artist:

 

Composer:

 

I've been thinking that I could probably clear Album Artist and Composer.  Then maybe the year.  I always clear Comment already.  Thats saying as long as the tag program doesn't count a blank as a bit or something....  Does it?

 

What do you clear out of yours?

 

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Re: 6,933 something song limit?

I do pretty much what you do and are proposing, generally not using the Comments, Album Artist and Composer fields (which most players don't utilize).  The other thing is to keep a simpler file hierarchy, which also will affect the database count--in other words, avoid having files and folders going, e.g., 8 levels deep or the like . . . .

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Re: 6,933 something song limit?

My folders/directories are as simple as simple can be I think.  Here is how mine is set up.


Music\Artist\Album\*.mp3 song


The Music Folder is put on the player by default.  The artist folder is usually created by Windows Media Player.  The folder under that one is also created by the Windows Media Player.  I just copy the Artist and the sub folder Album over to the Music folder on the player.  Am I correct in saying that is only 3 deep?  Perhaps 4 deep if you include the actual Mp3 files.


I got an awful lot of music to process.  I already have all my mp3s backed up to two external hard drives.  *One external hard drive is a back up for the other.  I also have all the music backed up to three 8.5 gig dvds and one 4.7 gig dvd labeled that only 706 meg is used up.  I made them just incase both of my hard drives either goes down or gets messed up.  The problem is I can't go back and change the tags on the DVDs.  I think I probably got to either go back over what is on the external hard drives or cut and past the music from the player into a back up folder and change the tags and copy it all back.  This is will be hours of work as well as an hour or so for the player to refresh.  I'm not sure why SanDisk didn't repair it's firmware for a simple mistake like this.  You only find out years down the road after you reach the 6,000 song something limit.  I'm sorry If I missed any of this information the documentation.  I don't recall seeing a warning about this small and yet significant issue.

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Re: 6,933 something song limit?

gregorylock, you're doing everything right vis-a-vis the Clip.  My folder hierarchy is similar to yours, although one level less (I don't have an Artist level).  And I reached a limit somewhere north of 6,000 files and south of 8,000, for the database.   Do note that all of the files should be available through the separate folderview navigation (although I also seemed to hit a snag there, which I never had the energy to ascertain further).

 

One thing you may want to do:  explore the alternative Rockbox software, at rockbox.org, which can be put on your player and become the default operting system for the player.  A major benefit of Rockbox:  no database limit!   Smiley Happy    Plus, many other advanced features.  My guess is, you are a prime candidate for it and will like it.  Just one word of caution:  don't let it intimidate you.  It is not as scary nor frightening as it might seem at first glance, and you simply can focus, at first, on the features most important to you (such as, choosing a screen layout you find pleasing, rather than using the default (and geeky) Rockbox layout), and then (slide) into others.  Highly recommended to skim through the Rockbox manual, which you can get at the site.  And people will be more than willing to help out as to the software.

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Re: 6,933 something song limit?

And all of this--the file limitation--largely the result of the Clip's operating system's having fallen behind the times, with the plumetting cost of removable storage cards and the increase of the capacity of those cards.  As I've said before, we need an Uber Clip (even if it's a limited edition--a worthy and noble project for this worthy line!) . . . .

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Re: 6,933 something song limit?

I have been thinking about supergluing my old player to my new player back to back.  The clip on my old player broke off when I caught my head phone cord on something once. 

 

I decided to give rockbox a try.  I downloaded both the Windows installer and the Linux Installer.  I used the Linux Installer since that is the computer I'm running right now.  The installation seemed to go smoothly.  I don't know what it sounds like yet....  The fonts are very small.  I'm not sure if they can be made bigger or not.  I was looking around to see if it would give me song count like the orignal firmware did.  If it does have that informaton I haven't found it yet.  Sooner or later I'll be joining the rockbox forums and looking over the manual.  I wish I could of found an option for song count.  That number would of been interesting to report.

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Re: 6,933 something song limit?


gregorylock wrote:

 

I decided to give rockbox a try.  I downloaded both the Windows installer and the Linux Installer.  I used the Linux Installer since that is the computer I'm running right now.  The installation seemed to go smoothly.  I don't know what it sounds like yet....  The fonts are very small.  I'm not sure if they can be made bigger or not. 


 

Go to the Themes page (for your player) on Rockbox's site and download some different themes. This will change the appearance (and font size) to something more visually appealing than the standard one. You can have as many as you like and switch between them at will. Smiley Wink

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Re: 6,933 something song limit?

There are a lot of themes to choose from.

 

http://themes.rockbox.org/index.php?target=sansaclipplus

 

I got to admit that the player seems to sound better.  I can hear the vocals better and the stereo effects sound better to me.  I kinda miss the spectrum analyzer bar graph that came stock with the old firmware. 

 

I joined the rockbox forums today.  But if you happen to know off the top of your head if there is a way of bringing up or installing one of these graphs it would be nice to know.  I'm also looking over the manual but haven't gotten very far with it yet.  Thanks.