01-20-2018 07:25 AM - edited 01-20-2018 07:26 AM
I have been thinking that preparing and curating audio files for a Clip Sport / Clip Jam is like driving a car with manual transmission without a detailed instruction manual. And SanDisk does not provide a global, all purpose, dedicated software package like iTunes that hides all the inner workings of their players behind a bunch of colorful pop-up windows.
I hope that new owners will take a deep breath and try to read through the various helpful discussions and solutions that are contributed by an amazing variety of patient owners throughout this helpful Forum.
AND, here is an educational explanation of the FAT table sorting problem that causes Folder Mode sorting problems for the Clip Sport & Clip Jam.
01-20-2018 09:38 AM
Thank you for taking the time to reply. I understand it is unlikely there will be any changes in firmware coding. I don't mean to be rude or untoward by also mentioning what follows. It may help prompt SanDisk in present or future coding improvements.
These devices come with an enormous amount of internal memory and have the capability to add more externally. A very large amount of music can be stored on them. So lets' say one wants to store the set of Beethoven piano sonatas. Beethoven wrote thirty-two of these. Most have three or four movements. So that would amount to 32 Folders of three or four files each. If these are .wav files internal memory use would leave approximately two gigabytes with the ability to use more on an external memory card. If the user prefers MP3 format memory capability can be increased four or fivefold. So you may also want Chopin's Nocturnes on there, along with a few Van Halen albums for good measure.
If we put the thirty-two folders (the sonatas), each with three or files, a normal user would expect them to be sorted in alpha/numeric format as may be stored on a hard drive. The user does not want to have to re-name or tag each of these files (167 in this case) and the user most certainly does not want to listen to these files in any other order than intended by the composer. While the order may not be so important for pop music I think most users would prefer the option to sort this way. And it is crucial for classical music files to be played in a particular order as I think most people understand. So even if there are "fixes" in tagging techniques or in what would be a monumental task of re-naming files, I am not satisfied. This issue should be fixed the proper way through coding so that it works properly right out of the rigid plastic shipping container.
In all other respects it's a fine player; otherwise I wouldn't take so much time here.
01-20-2018 03:40 PM - edited 01-20-2018 03:44 PM
I think it may be possible to accomplish the requirements of new member Flunky with the quick execution of a simple batch file command directly inside a subfolder of Music in the player or the micro SD card.
For example, in Flunky's Clip Sport there can be a subdirectory named "Beethoven". And this subdirectory contains all the 32 folders (each with 3 or 4 audio files). And when Flunky uses Windows File Explorer to view this subdirectory collection, all 32 folders are properly named so they are displayed in the exact desired order of playback. (And the internal 3 or 4 audio files can be displayed in the desired order.)
Then Flunky can create this simple 2-line text file (using Notepad) and save it as "Playlist.bat" in the Beethoven subdirectory.
Then use Windows File Explorer to double-click on the bat file and the Beethoven.m3u file will be automatically created within 3 secs or less. Then use Playlists mode from the MUSIC menu or the CARD menu to start your playback. Make sure all the possible shuffle commands are set to "Off" for your desired linear playback.
If you decide to repeat this process with other subfolder collections, make sure you use different names for the "m3u" files
03-20-2018 12:36 PM
I'm testing the the folder mode (firmware 1.39) and it seems that, in my case, it works randomly.
Example 1 OK (MP3):
01 - Melendi - Mi Rumbita Pa Despues - EMG
02 - Melendi - Desde Mi Ventana - EMG
03 - Melendi - Se Lo Que Hicisteis - EMG
04 - Melendi - Sin Noticias De Holanda - EMG
Example 2 not OK (FLAC):
03 Brick England (feat. Pet Shop Boys)
15 Swipe for this
06 Here For You (feat. Gary Numan)
01 The Heart of Noise, Pt. 1 (feat. Rone)
Example 3 not OK (FLAC):
04. Oxygene, Pt. 4
05. Oxygene, Pt. 5
06. Oxygene, Pt. 6
03. Oxygene, Pt. 3
02. Oxygene, Pt. 2
Example 4 not OK (MP3):
11 Running Out
03-21-2018 01:48 PM
Take a look at the brief discussion of file sorting problems using Folder Mode in this message from the Forum.
03-23-2018 02:49 PM - edited 03-23-2018 02:50 PM
I have been reading all the many unhappy comments written by new owners of the Clip Sport (and Jam) on this Forum for the past 2 1/2 years. I agree that these devices are not as tech savvy as the iPod Nano, FiiO X3, and Sony Walkman A players.
However, the Clip Sport and Jam are sold at 1/3 to 1/4 of the price of the more capable players.
The cute pictures on the box and the nice price tag do not reveal the minimalist features of the SanDisk players to unsuspecting buyers.
I now own a few Clip Sports for the price, size, convenience, audio quality (really good), battery duration and personal challenge of discovering how the player can execute even more desired features with bit of patience and software tweaking.
03-24-2018 09:09 AM
Although I respect your point of view, I don't agree. Sorting the files correctly (as any operating system does) is not a special feature, it is just common sense.
I believe what many people are asking for is to fix a bug.
05-02-2018 11:32 PM
Up until recently I used fatsorter on the folder files, either the internal drive or an external card, and that arranged the folder alphabetically on the sport player.
Something sad happened without an explanation. fatsorter stopped working. No matter what I do, including windows compatibility mode, it won't work again.
There is no other utility I can find that does the sorting, so I am stuck.
Anybody else have this issue with fatsorter? From reading the posts above there is no other workaround.