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Re: Audio files on SD card are segregated from the main device. Why?


@JK98 wrote:

What many of use want though is a $99 premium player positioned to compete against the ipod Nano. We want the player to have 40+ hours of battery life, database capacity for 20,000 or more songs, and integration of card and internal memory. If it also has a second card slot, and/or HD radio, and/or is built with an aluminum or magnesium case, that would be a great bonus.


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Registered: ‎06-20-2015

Re: Audio files on SD card are segregated from the main device. Why?

What really pisses me off is that the Sport is not marketed as a reduced-feature model. I bought it in good faith and found it doesn't have basic features which have been part of the Sansa lineup since whenever. (I've been using then since the one before the original Fuze model and I've had every one since. For me, the original Fuze was the most useable ever - pity it was so flaky. The second, larger  Fuze with touch controls was the worst ever, before the Sport came along.)

 

Exchanging my Sport for  a Zip or Clip+ is not an option for me, because I don't have the original packaging. (It was bought for me by an American friend and posted to my country with other stuff.)

 

Your suggestion that the inability to combine the device and SD card databases is because the Sport may be starved of RAM makes sense - though not _common_ sense. Devices at least as far back as the Fuze combined their databases, and RAM was much more expensive then. At today's prices, for a company that actually makes RAM to be using less, is penny-pinching to the extreme.  

 

While there is a tenuous excuse for the database issue, I can't think of a single excuse for making 'repeat' the default and only play option for podcasts. Like - why would you want to listen through a bunch of podcasts and then go back and listen to them all again? Music tracks yes, but podcasts no. 

 

I guess I just have to toss my Sport in the wastepaper basket and buy another Zip. 

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Re: Audio files on SD card are segregated from the main device. Why?

The Sport doesn't have any DRAM at all, which is probably a pretty big cost savings. Instead it just has some tiny bit of SRAM on the CPU die directly. For simple chips like these that can be made on ancient semiconductor fabs, the cost of the silicon itself is very low, but the cost of assembling all those wires and packages into dies and boards isn't free, so getting rid of things like memory chips is probably a big deal for reducing costs.

 

As for the database, thats really confusing.  2000 ID3v1 tags (not even including file paths) would take up more RAM then the entire player has, so probably the database is stored on flash memory.  I guess the 2000 entry limit is probably just someone assuming that no one would want more files than that.  

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Registered: ‎09-13-2008

Re: Audio files on SD card are segregated from the main device. Why?

"Your suggestion that the inability to combine the device and SD card databases is because the Sport may be starved of RAM makes sense - though not _common_ sense."

 

It isn't just the cost of the ram, but how much ram the processor can access, and the power consumption of the ram. The Sport has around the same battery life as the original fuze, but is much smaller, and so is its battery.

It is about size, weight, battery life, and cost.

 

'While there is a tenuous excuse for the database issue, I can't think of a single excuse for making 'repeat' the default and only play option for podcasts."

 

It was likely just a bug in the firmware. it seems like it should be simple to fix.

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Registered: ‎06-20-2015

Re: Audio files on SD card are segregated from the main device. Why?

I guess I won't throw the Sport out just yet. I can't use it though. I'll check every couple of months to see if they've updated the firmware and solved the podcast repeating problem. From what you say the separate databases issue can't be fixed in firmware, but I could live with having to go to my SD card menu to access files if I really had to. It's messy though.

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Registered: ‎04-24-2009

Re: Audio files on SD card are segregated from the main device. Why?

I'm sure it could be fixed in firmware, they're just not going to because its difficult.