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Database capacity?

I had a Fuze.  Once I got a 32GB card, my Fuze could not enumerate all the songs.

I bought a Fuze+.  Now the DB is big enough, but the controls were just touchy and the UI too sluggish.

Bought a New Fuze.  Rockboxed it.  Now I can see all my music but lost the ability to download subscription content from Rhapsody.

 

As can be seen, my desire to have a single player that holds all my music (over 8000 songs.) with a decent User Interface, and Rhapsody support has been tempered.

 

I have had to give up Rhapsody Channels, in favor for a superior UI and DB capacity.  

 

So now comes the Clip Zip which may be the answer.  So my question is.  Does this have the same DB limitations as older Fuzes and Clips or does it have the same DB capacity as the Fuze+?  If so, I just may need to upgrade to this unit.

 

If not, I'll stick to my Fuze on Rockbox and keep my spare 4GB fuze in my dresser drawer as a backup.

 

Can some one give me the max DB size supported by the Clip Zip?

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Re: Database capacity?


@p_opus wrote:

I had a Fuze.  Once I got a 32GB card, my Fuze could not enumerate all the songs.

I bought a Fuze+.  Now the DB is big enough, but the controls were just touchy and the UI too sluggish.

Bought a New Fuze.  Rockboxed it.  Now I can see all my music but lost the ability to download subscription content from Rhapsody.

 

As can be seen, my desire to have a single player that holds all my music (over 8000 songs.) with a decent User Interface, and Rhapsody support has been tempered.

 

I have had to give up Rhapsody Channels, in favor for a superior UI and DB capacity.  

 

So now comes the Clip Zip which may be the answer.  So my question is.  Does this have the same DB limitations as older Fuzes and Clips or does it have the same DB capacity as the Fuze+?  If so, I just may need to upgrade to this unit.

 

If not, I'll stick to my Fuze on Rockbox and keep my spare 4GB fuze in my dresser drawer as a backup.

 

Can some one give me the max DB size supported by the Clip Zip?



I believe it is still at 8000 songs.

iPod Touch 5G 32GB, Touch 4G 32GB, Clip Sport 8GB.
Rockbox-> Clip Zip 4GB, iPod Nano 2G 4GB, iPod 5.5G 80GB
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Re: Database capacity?


@Marvin_Martian wrote:

@p_opus wrote:

 

So now comes the Clip Zip which may be the answer.  So my question is.  Does this have the same DB limitations as older Fuzes and Clips or does it have the same DB capacity as the Fuze+?  If so, I just may need to upgrade to this unit.

 

If not, I'll stick to my Fuze on Rockbox and keep my spare 4GB fuze in my dresser drawer as a backup.

 

Can some one give me the max DB size supported by the Clip Zip?



I believe it is still at 8000 songs.


You are correct.

 

http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Clip-Zip/SANDISK-INTRODUCES-SANSA-CLIP-ZIP-MP3-PLAYER/td-p/242594

 

 

Look under "Features for Consumers" and then the "microSDHC card slot" section and it'll state the max song limit.

 

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@mags1230 wrote:

@Marvin_Martian wrote:

@p_opus wrote:

 

So now comes the Clip Zip which may be the answer.  So my question is.  Does this have the same DB limitations as older Fuzes and Clips or does it have the same DB capacity as the Fuze+?  If so, I just may need to upgrade to this unit.

 

If not, I'll stick to my Fuze on Rockbox and keep my spare 4GB fuze in my dresser drawer as a backup.

 

Can some one give me the max DB size supported by the Clip Zip?



I believe it is still at 8000 songs.


You are correct.

 

http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Clip-Zip/SANDISK-INTRODUCES-SANSA-CLIP-ZIP-MP3-PLAYER/td-p/242594

 

 

Look under "Features for Consumers" and then the "microSDHC card slot" section and it'll state the max song limit.

 


That limit  wouldn't matter to me personally....even if I had a 32 GB card for my Zip, I wouldn't be able to fit 8000 of my songs on there. On my Cowon D2, which is 8GB with a 32GB card, I have 4000 on the card, and 900+ on the internal.

 

I'm glad I don't have to worry about it, to be frank.Smiley Wink

 

 

iPod Touch 5G 32GB, Touch 4G 32GB, Clip Sport 8GB.
Rockbox-> Clip Zip 4GB, iPod Nano 2G 4GB, iPod 5.5G 80GB
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Re: Database capacity?

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That limit  wouldn't matter to me personally....even if I had a 32 GB card for my Zip, I wouldn't be able to fit 8000 of my songs on there. On my Cowon D2, which is 8GB with a 32GB card, I have 4000 on the card, and 900+ on the internal.

 

I'm glad I don't have to worry about it, to be frank.

 

Unfortunately most of my songs are encoded at 128kps.  Yes, I know, it's really lossy, but to be honest, my 45 year old ears can't really distinguish between 128kps and 256kps encoded MP3's even with my Steinheiser or Bose Quiet Comfort phones.

 

So for most of my listening experiences, (at my desk or in my car) having larger music files would not make a difference for my enjoyment of the music.  My current music collection is just less than 8000, but the tags and the embeded album art lower the capacity so that the Fuze with OF can only see approx 3/4 of them.

 

I guess I will keep my current setup.  (sad face).  I love Rockbox, and I love it's ability to queue up random albums and the DB refresh speed.  I just wish it didn't kill my subscription playback.  I miss my Rhapsody channels. Oh well, my Rhapsody still works great for my kids. 

 

I just wish Sandisk would understand that many of us want high capacity "solid state" players to store are very large collections on.  Although 8000 sounds really high, and it is, I love the freedom to always have ALL my music at my finger tips. 

 

And as Rockbox and the Sansa Dev's themselves have proven, 8000 songs is simply an arbitrary limit.  It's been breached by the Rockbox folks and the Fuze+ dev teams.

 

I say this right now, not that it would make a difference, but if Sansa raised the DB limit on the Clip Zip, I would purchase one the day that limit is raised.

 

 


 

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@p_opus wrote:
That limit  wouldn't matter to me personally....even if I had a 32 GB card for my Zip, I wouldn't be able to fit 8000 of my songs on there. On my Cowon D2, which is 8GB with a 32GB card, I have 4000 on the card, and 900+ on the internal.

 

I'm glad I don't have to worry about it, to be frank.

 

Unfortunately most of my songs are encoded at 128kps.  Yes, I know, it's really lossy, but to be honest, my 45 year old ears can't really distinguish between 128kps and 256kps encoded MP3's even with my Steinheiser or Bose Quiet Comfort phones.

 

So for most of my listening experiences, (at my desk or in my car) having larger music files would not make a difference for my enjoyment of the music.  My current music collection is just less than 8000, but the tags and the embeded album art lower the capacity so that the Fuze with OF can only see approx 3/4 of them.

 

I guess I will keep my current setup.  (sad face).  I love Rockbox, and I love it's ability to queue up random albums and the DB refresh speed.  I just wish it didn't kill my subscription playback.  I miss my Rhapsody channels. Oh well, my Rhapsody still works great for my kids. 

 

I just wish Sandisk would understand that many of us want high capacity "solid state" players to store are very large collections on.  Although 8000 sounds really high, and it is, I love the freedom to always have ALL my music at my finger tips. 

 

And as Rockbox and the Sansa Dev's themselves have proven, 8000 songs is simply an arbitrary limit.  It's been breached by the Rockbox folks and the Fuze+ dev teams.

 

I say this right now, not that it would make a difference, but if Sansa raised the DB limit on the Clip Zip, I would purchase one the day that limit is raised.

 

 


 I've only used Rockbox on my Clip+ for the last year, until I got the Zip and did some comparison testing...and as soon as that was done, I went back to it.

 

I see what you're saying about  the bitrate of your music files, too.....I would never use FLAC on any of my players, because I know I don't hear the difference. My main rotation tunes, which I just sent through MP3Gain for use with an upcoming player, average 231kbps. If every album was one that I ripped from a physical CD, that average would certainly be lower though.

 

(and let me tell you....even with a fairly powerful desktop, MP3Gain on 59GB of mp3's takes a long, long time...lol.)

 

 


iPod Touch 5G 32GB, Touch 4G 32GB, Clip Sport 8GB.
Rockbox-> Clip Zip 4GB, iPod Nano 2G 4GB, iPod 5.5G 80GB
2012 Nexus 7 32GB, Asus MeMoPad 8 16+64GB, LG Optimus G Pro, Nokia Lumia 900, Nokia Lumia 520

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Re: Database capacity?

I don't understand ...

 

I have no sansa, I want to buy one but I don't know if the limit of 8000 songs is because the software in the sansa is limited to 8000 songs or if it is difficult to put 8000 songs in a 32 Go card ? And if with rockbox I can see more than 8000 songs, is the speed of play modified ?

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Re: Database capacity?


@Frenchie23 wrote:

I don't understand ...

 

I have no sansa, I want to buy one but I don't know if the limit of 8000 songs is because the software in the sansa is limited to 8000 songs or if it is difficult to put 8000 songs in a 32 Go card ? And if with rockbox I can see more than 8000 songs, is the speed of play modified ?


The way the database that tells the player what songs you have is set up, it is limited to 8000 songs. I have far more than 8000 songs in my library. However my music is encoded in such a way that I could not get 8000 songs on a 32 gig anything. If you are using a smaller comperssion then you may be able to reach this number no problem. None of this has anything to do with play speed. The only change you should see is the speed of the database refresh when you update the songs on the player or card. In reality 8000 songs is quite alot and takes some effort to amass so I would say most folks dont have to worry about it. 


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Re: Database capacity?

The limit on the Clip is 8000 songs.  Actually it's a good deal less if you have a fairly detailed file structure, longer file names, and longer mp3 tags.

 

I have an 8GB Fuze with a 32GB card.  All of my music fits on my 32GB card (6708 tracks to be exact).  With the current Clip/Fuze DB structure and my file structure, the Fuze can only see 4771 of them.

 

If I took all my files out of their folders and simply had a "flat" file structure, I might be able to see more,  If I changed my filenames, (like 1.mp3, 2.mp3, 3.mp3) I could see more.  Both of these are not feasable for me, and it's likely if I fill my remaining 10GB that are available, it is probable that I will exceed even the "published" limit.

 

The Fuze+ has over 10000 song limit, (but there are some serious UI issues that plague that device).

 

Rockbox has a different way it handles DB (far superior) and it refreshes faster and has no such limit.

 

However Rockbox breaks DRM so you can't play Rhapsody subscription tracks, only non-DRM tracks.  I still use Rhapsody to when I want specific albums.  Unfortunately, I really like Rhapsody Channels and this is lost when using rockbox (even if you boot it in original firmware mode)

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Re: Database capacity?

Ok, I think I understand, the limit is a question of size of tags ...

There's no rockbox for the clip zip so I will buy a clip+; too bad for the cover art

If I can't see all my songs I will just buy a sansa for running with some songs of all my songs

 

 

(The solution would must be to charge the songs by groups of 4000 songs and select which group you want to access (with certainly a long refresh tags between) ?)

 

 

S'cuse my english