Clip Zip SDXC Card Support?

ID V1 may not be modern, but I like to keep the ID tags short and simple. I never had a problem with my files and tags on any player. All my files are self-encoded and tagged, and as said, the tags are short and simple: title, performer, album, year and genre, nothing more. Never had a problem with them on any of my players or my Sansas. The first time a problem occurs is with the officially unsupported SDXC card. A merely accidental coincidence?

Why are you so  sure that it’s not the card/lack of compatibility? Where is the support that 64-GB SDXC cards are supposed to work with the Clip Zip (or Clip+)? Did I mention that the Clip+ reacts exactly the same?

It would be great if someone could tell his or her experience with this configuration here.

@jazz wrote:

ID V1 may not be modern, but I like to keep the ID tags short and simple. I never had a problem with my files and tags on any player. All my files are self-encoded and tagged, and as said, the tags are short and simple: title, performer, album, year and genre, nothing more. Never had a problem with them on any of my players or my Sansas. The first time a problem occurs is with the officially unsupported SDXC card. A merely accidental coincidence?

 

Why are you so  sure that it’s not the card/lack of compatibility? Where is the support that 64-GB SDXC cards are supposed to work with the Clip Zip (or Clip+)? Did I mention that the Clip+ reacts exactly the same?

 

It would be great if someone could tell his or her experience with this configuration here.

Perhaps Rockbox would be a resolution for you.

@marvin_martian wrote:

Perhaps Rockbox would be a resolution for you.

So there’s a Rockbox firmware for the Clip Zip? That’s certainly interesting. Does it effectively support SDXC cards?

@jazz wrote:

 

Why are you so  sure that it’s not the card/lack of compatibility? Where is the support that 64-GB SDXC cards are supposed to work with the Clip Zip (or Clip+)? Did I mention that the Clip+ reacts exactly the same?

 

It would be great if someone could tell his or her experience with this configuration here.

I’m not sure. I was merely stating that this is generally the case when database refresh freeze-ups occur. And it is a fact (and always has been) that Sansa players prefer the version 2.3 ID tag format. They just don’t work well with any of the other variants.

It could very well be that the SDXC cards are incompatible, even when formatted to FAT32. This is more or less un-charted territory here; not that many people have experimented with it. There’s a guy who posted over on the ABI forums that he had success with it, but you are only the 3rd person I’ve seen who has. Until the price drops on this (fairly) new, larger card, I doubt we’ll see too many who are willing to fork over 4 times the amount of money for a memory card than they spent on their player.

Maybe you’ve found a **bleep** in the amour so to speak, maybe not. The official stance from SanDisk is that it will not work, and is therefore not “supported”. Un-officially however, people close to the company agree that theoretically it should.

I was just making a suggestion that it could be something else and trying to help you diagnose and hopefully resolve the issue. Pioneers (like yourself) take risks; sometimes they pan out, sometimes they don’t. But whatever the outcome, it’s helpful to others who follow. :smiley:

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I’m just about to do some tests. After removing the «Classical» and the «Jazz» folder (most of the latter’s content is already on the internal memory anyway), 24.9 GB were left on the card. And the player was working fine. After adding 5.9 GB again (resulting in 30.8 GB), refreshing took 25 minutes and was extremely slow towards the end. The player managed to boot, but was very unstable during playback and unwilling to connect to the computer. Now the card is filled with 30.4 GB, and refreshing took just a bit more time than normally. As far as I can tell, playback is stable.

BTW, I paid CHF 80 for the card, which seems quite a bargain to me for so much memory space (the 32 GB card I purchased 1½ years ago was CHF 125 or so).

Well, it’s passably stable, but slow.

I have v1 and v2 Tags and Tag with Tag & Rename without unicode. No Problem. MP3 make with Foobar and lame.

Clip Zip 8 Gig and a Patriot LX 32 Gig Class 10 Card work. 4500 Files. Original Firmware. Database rebuild take 2-3 Minutes.

I re-tagged all MP3s to v2.3 ISO-8859-1 by means of MP3Tag – to no avail: The player is still slow, with more than 20 minutes for refreshing and 5 seconds for skipping in shuffle mode (exept for tracks on the internal memory, with which reaction time is normal, i.e. <1 s) – and this with further reduced SDXC card charge, now only 29.5 GB.

@koto wrote:

Clip Zip 8 Gig and a Patriot LX 32 Gig Class 10 Card work. 4500 Files. Original Firmware. Database rebuild take 2-3 Minutes.

Hard to believe! All my SanDisk Players (2 Clip+, 1 Clip Zip) regularly take about 15 minutes for database refreshing with 8 + 32 GB. Files are LAME-based MP3s with simple tags and without album art.

Im have test it. My Sample Time. Clip Zip 8 Gig.

Internal Rebuild take 40 Second with 926 Files, 104 Folder and 5,72 GB (6.143.737.856 Bytes)

My Card is a SDHC Patriot 32 Gig LX not SDXC and a Class 10.

3.428 Files, 216 Folder, 21,7 GB (23.353.688.064 Bytes)

Total Scanning Time.both,  5.44 Minutes.

@koto wrote:

5,72 GB …21,7 GB …Total Scanning Time both: 5.44 Minutes

That may be the crucial point: Both of my cards are 100% loaded, while yours are only ~77%/~71%.

The Time not improve by 2 with 12-13 Gig more. This can be a Class issue for SD-Card. Faster are better. :slight_smile:

Your Filled the Player over?

Have you have leave Space for the Datanbase?

@koto wrote:

This can be a Class issue for SD-Card. Faster are better. :slight_smile:

Possible. (Actually the usual time is rather 12 than 15 minutes with my Zip.)

Have you have left Space for the Database?

Yes, exactly enough. The player usually protests if it’s disregarded.

@koto wrote:

The Time not improve by 2 with 12-13 Gig more. This can be a Class issue for SD-Card. Faster are better. :slight_smile:

 

Your Filled the Player over?

Have you have leave Space for the Datanbase?

The internal card reader in these players is only about the equivalent of Class 4. Using a Class 10 will make no difference.

Time to Sandisk  to improve that.

Scanning the MP3 Tags with Winamp from the Player takes 30-60 Seconds. Sandisk scnn the MP3 over the Internet or mars?

Sorry 10-15 Minutes are very bad. My pocket calculator have more Power. :slight_smile:

@jazz wrote:

I re-tagged all MP3s to v2.3 ISO-8859-1 by means of MP3Tag – to no avail: The player is still slow, with more than 20 minutes for refreshing and 5 seconds for skipping in shuffle mode (exept for tracks on the internal memory, with which reaction time is normal, i.e. <1 s) – and this with further reduced SDXC card charge, now only 29.5 GB.

 

 

When you retagged the MP3s, did you do it on the files that are already on the card?  If so, I’ve read that it works better if you change the tags while the songs are your computer and then reload them onto the card.  Though I’m not sure if there’ll be any improvements on an SDXC card that’s been formatted to FAT32.

@mags1230 wrote:

When you retagged the MP3s, did you do it on the files that are already on the card?

Yes, on the card.

Unfortunately, refreshes can take considerable time, depending on the content size.  With close to 30GB of content, my player will take 20 minutes to refresh (and it’s longer on the Clip+).  It indeed is time for SanDisk to re-work this (and has been, for awhile . . .).

@miikerman wrote:

Unfortunately, refreshes can take considerable time, depending on the content size.  With close to 30GB of content, my player will take 20 minutes to refresh (and it’s longer on the Clip+).  It indeed is time for SanDisk to re-work this (and has been, for awhile . . .).

Of course in about 10 minutes total you could resolve the issue on both your Zip and your Clip+. :wink:

@marvin_martian wrote:

Of course in about 10 minutes total you could resolve the issue on both your Zip and your Clip+. :wink:

I think I know what you mean… :wink:

Can i use a 128GB SDXC  using rockbox?