Why not eliminate Auto-Defect mode?

All it does is cause problems. Keep the MSC and MTP modes, they both have their pluses and minuses, but Auto mode causes too many problems. I own a player that gives the user two choices, MSC and MTP, and it’s a much more sensible approach, I think. I suspect the esteemed Tapeworm will be on board with this request…anyone else agree?

Marvin_Martian wrote:
All it does is cause problems. Keep the MSC and MTP modes, they both have their pluses and minuses, but Auto mode causes too many problems. I own a player that gives the user two choices, MSC and MTP, and it’s a much more sensible approach, I think. I suspect the esteemed Tapeworm will be on board with this request…anyone else agree?

Actually I disagree on one level and agree on another. Auto Detect is a good Idea as it makes the player truly plug and play. If you know the difference then its a good Idea to get rid of Auto Detect, but imagine not knowing the difference, and not knowing about the different modes, you plug in the player and it wont connect, you have no idea what to do, thats almost as bad in my mind. 

What I would suggest is a version of Auto Detect where when you plug in to the computer it switches modes, If MTP works then it chooses that and vise versa, you could obviously pick for yourself but if you dont make the choice it just switches for you. Kind of like an automatic transmission when you get to a certain speed it shifts for you but if you need/want to you can choose a gear. 

Conversionbox wrote:

What I would suggest is a version of Auto Detect where when you plug in to the computer it switches modes, If MTP works then it chooses that and vise versa, you could obviously pick for yourself but if you dont make the choice it just switches for you. Kind of like an automatic transmission when you get to a certain speed it shifts for you but if you need/want to you can choose a gear. 

Isn’t this the way it works now? If possible, it connects in MTP; if it cannot find the drivers or connect for any other reason, it switched & connects in MSC mode.

Herein lies the confusion, especially to someone inexperienced with these things. Let’s say there are multiple computers in the home, or someone uses both their home computer and their work computer for loading and/or managing their music on the player. Theroectically half their music could be loaded in MTP; half in MSC. It could get real ugly, real fast, sending non-techy people over to the fruit side.

Tapeworm wrote:


Conversionbox wrote:

What I would suggest is a version of Auto Detect where when you plug in to the computer it switches modes, If MTP works then it chooses that and vise versa, you could obviously pick for yourself but if you dont make the choice it just switches for you. Kind of like an automatic transmission when you get to a certain speed it shifts for you but if you need/want to you can choose a gear. 


Isn’t this the way it works now? If possible, it connects in MTP; if it cannot find the drivers or connect for any other reason, it switched & connects in MSC mode.

 

Herein lies the confusion, especially to someone inexperienced with these things. Let’s say there are multiple computers in the home, or someone uses both their home computer and their work computer for loading and/or managing their music on the player. Theroectically half their music could be loaded in MTP; half in MSC. It could get real ugly, real fast, sending non-techy people over to the fruit side.

I mean it as something you cant choose. Right now there are 3 choices, I suggest hiding that choice.

 The big draw back to the elimination is that it means the player wont be plug and play. The different modes will have to be explained more than they are now, people who dont like WMP and dont have it installed may run into issues when they first connect with “My Computer wont Recognize my player”. 

Simple solution would be to enable viewing of your files despite the mode used to add them. 

Conversionbox wrote:


Tapeworm wrote:


Conversionbox wrote:

What I would suggest is a version of Auto Detect where when you plug in to the computer it switches modes, If MTP works then it chooses that and vise versa, you could obviously pick for yourself but if you dont make the choice it just switches for you. Kind of like an automatic transmission when you get to a certain speed it shifts for you but if you need/want to you can choose a gear. 


Isn’t this the way it works now? If possible, it connects in MTP; if it cannot find the drivers or connect for any other reason, it switched & connects in MSC mode.

 

Herein lies the confusion, especially to someone inexperienced with these things. Let’s say there are multiple computers in the home, or someone uses both their home computer and their work computer for loading and/or managing their music on the player. Theroectically half their music could be loaded in MTP; half in MSC. It could get real ugly, real fast, sending non-techy people over to the fruit side.


I mean it as something you cant choose. Right now there are 3 choices, I suggest hiding that choice.

 The big draw back to the elimination is that it means the player wont be plug and play. The different modes will have to be explained more than they are now, people who dont like WMP and dont have it installed may run into issues when they first connect with “My Computer wont Recognize my player”. 

Simple solution would be to enable viewing of your files despite the mode used to add them. 

 

If it defaulted to MSC, then it wouldn’t matter if the guy with XP was still using WMP9 or not, or of the Ubuntu guy plugged it in, or even the Mac guy, right? I would think that MSC would be as close as you can get to plug and play.

Exactly. They should get rid of auto detect, and have MSC as the default. I have never heard of a case where the player would connect in MTP but not in MSC.

Conversionbox wrote:

I mean it as something you cant choose. Right now there are 3 choices, I suggest hiding that choice.

Ahhh, now I see what you’re saying, but I still think there needs to be a choice. It doesn’t work that well on it’s own to not have to manual switching option.

Conversionbox wrote:

 . . . may run into issues when they first connect with “My Computer wont Recognize my player”. 

Yeah . . . like we don’t see that enough around here the way it is! If I had a dollar for every new post with this (or some reasonable variant) in the Subject line, I could retire and start up my own forum. :smileyvery-happy:

JK98 wrote: 

 

I have never heard of a case where the player would connect in MTP but not in MSC.

 

Oh, look around JK. Believe it or not, there have been people with this problem here. Granted not as many as with the opposite scenario, but it does exist.

Just goes to show, nothing is impossible when it comes to electronics. :stuck_out_tongue:


Conversionbox wrote:
I mean it as something you cant choose. Right now there are 3 choices, I suggest hiding that choice.

Ahhh, now I see what you're saying, but I still think there needs to be a choice. It doesn't work that well on it's own to not have to manual switching option.


Conversionbox wrote:
 . . . may run into issues when they first connect with "My Computer wont Recognize my player". 

Yeah . . . like we don't see that enough around here the way it is! If I had a dollar for every new post with this (or some reasonable variant) in the Subject line, I could retire and start up my own forum. :smileyvery-happy:

 

Conversionbox wrote:


Auto Detect is a good Idea as it makes the player truly plug and play. 

 


i think this is the most likely culprit for keeping the auto detect mode. ultimately it gives the most compatibility for plug and play which looks good on paper but fails to show you the issues with library organization that may occur if you are using the device between multiple computers. defaulting to MSC would solve the library organization issues but then you have to look at the issues that would arise for those who use subscription services.  i am sure if rhapsody was receiving a support call from every new fuze owner or everyone that updated their firmware they would have a call in to the suites at sandisk in no time requesting a feature change. all of this has to be taken into account and im sure the developers try to keep as many people as possible happy, customers and service providers alike. think about it they could solve all these issues by making you install a sandisk branded media manager and only allowing you to sync with one library but then again that would piss people off as well.

@marvin_martian wrote:



If it defaulted to MSC, then it wouldn’t matter if the guy with XP was still using WMP9 or not, or of the Ubuntu guy plugged it in, or even the Mac guy, right? I would think that MSC would be as close as you can get to plug and play.

The default setting in Europe for the Fuze is MSC.

I read a lot of reviews and the user manual before I got my Fuze, and I can’t remember where I saw it (is it in the manual)? But yes, I’m in the UK, and it was in MSC mode out - of - the - box (firmware 02.01.09F). I had to find out the difference between MSC and MTP (I’dd never heard of either) before I got the player, so I knew I needed MSC, and the first thing I did was go to ‘Settings’ to change the mode - but didn’t need to.

When I updated to 02.02.26 - it was still in MSC, didn’t change to autodetect.

I wonder why they make this difference between Europe/USA?

It’s on this forum, in the release notes for 01.01.11, bugs fixed:

’Localized region firmware

·        The default USB mode for EMEA region is now MSC.’

(EMEA = Europe, Middle East and  Africa)

How about another idea?

I have a JVC Everio camcorder and when I plug it in it (not the computer) asks me what I want to do…

I have to use it’s menu thumbstick to select (watch on pc, connect to device, create a dvd, Backup files, and Direct Print (for pictures))

The same could be implemented on the Fuze and other devices, but might require a rewrite too major to contemplate.

But it is a suggestion to solve the issue…

BDProductions wrote:

How about another idea?

 

I have a JVC Everio camcorder and when I plug it in it (not the computer) asks me what I want to do…

 

I have to use it’s menu thumbstick to select (watch on pc, connect to device, create a dvd, Backup files, and Direct Print (for pictures))

 

The same could be implemented on the Fuze and other devices, but might require a rewrite too major to contemplate.

 

But it is a suggestion to solve the issue…

Which Everio do you have? I have the 320 gig HDD camera, and it doesnt give me that option. Is there a setting I could change? (sorry about  being off topic) 

Hehe, I haven’t chimed in on this thread, I see.  The EMEA default to MSC makes sense, since the US market includes subscription services not available worldwide.

Auto-Detect has always worked well for my use, as I like it when using my Sansas as handy flash devices when working with test equipment.  I have the Siemens equipment set up to address the Sansa as MSC, keeping everything separated, using the “wall” between MTP and MSC as a benefit, rather than a hindrance.

This function is actually quite beneficial, as it does make connecting the Sansa easier for the new user.

Bob  :smileyvery-happy: