User interface Windows 7 & XP

When I plug my Fuze into my windows 7 computer a nice interface opens and lets me do several things. When I plug it into my windows xp computer it recognizes it and I can add files to it but the interface is not there. Does anyone know how to get that nice interface to work in XP?

Jeff

i think that part of windows 7. no way to get it in xp.

To bad there is not software you can install that would open when you plug it into a xp computer, it would help the computer challenged crowd.

pvkid

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Message Edited by microsansa on 11-30-2009 09:16 AM

The Windows Media Player that came with XP is WMP 9. Update it to 10 or 11 and see what you get.

One scenario is that you have the USB Mode under Settings/System Settings in Auto Detect. It detects the newer WMP in Windows 7 and goes to MTP mode for your Windows interface. In XP, if you have the old WMP, Auto Detect sends you to MSC mode and you just see the drives. 

Of course, if you have WMP 10 or 11 in your XP computer then maybe it is some snazzy Windows 7 interface. I’m keeping XP until they pry it from my cold, dead hard drive. 

Black-Rectangle wrote: I’m keeping XP until they pry it from my cold, dead hard drive. 

  I believe they are going to stop supporting XP in a couple of years…what will you do then? Me, I’m embracing the future…skipping Vista, next month I’m jumping from XP(which has worked very well) all the way to Win 7 Ultimate x64. Should be a fascinating transition. My uncle tells me there is an XP mode, which is essentially a virtual XP within 7…maybe that could be an option for you if you like a lot of older programs.

All my programs run on XP and I don’t need eye candy wasting processor speed. Why would I want to run XP on top of Windows 7 instead of just running XP?  And you have to get the premium Windows 7 for the XP virtual machine.  The Windows 7 Starter they’re cramming into netbooks now (instead of smaller, faster XP) doesn’t have it.

I’m pretty tired of the cycle of faster processors and bigger memory to be gobbled up by bloatware. Saying Windows 7 is less bloated than Vista does not mean it is less bloated than XP.

By not supporting XP you mean…no more security patches? Shouldn’t they have the thing pretty much fixed after nine years?   Or does it mean no $75 per incident Microsoft Support calls that don’t give you a permanent solution to your problem, but just get it running for now? (That was an expensive mistake I won’t make again.)

Also, most significantly, Windows 7, like Vista but not XP, incorporates “Trusted Computing”–which means that you, who paid for the thing, are not trusted one tiny bit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing

Gotta hand it to the Windows naming department though. Trusted Computing is right up there in the irony department  with PlaysforSure. 

@marvin_martian wrote:


Black-Rectangle wrote: I’m keeping XP until they pry it from my cold, dead hard drive. 


  I believe they are going to stop supporting XP in a couple of years…what will you do then? Me, I’m embracing the future…skipping Vista, next month I’m jumping from XP(which has worked very well) all the way to Win 7 Ultimate x64. Should be a fascinating transition. My uncle tells me there is an XP mode, which is essentially a virtual XP within 7…maybe that could be an option for you if you like a lot of older programs.

Yeah, I used to be as much of a die hard XP fan as anyone, but I’m finding that I really like Vista and 7 better.  Support isn’t an issue.  There are people out there that are still using DOS based machies and Windows 3.11 units.  If you don’t want to run the lastest software, the older Operating Systems or Shells will work just fine.

But, all in all, computing has gotten easier over the years and while I was resistant to use Vista and Win 7, they are great for me, at least.

I do have WMP11 on my XP computer. I think I see what it is. When I plug the Fuze into the win7 computer it opens up a explorer type window at: Control Panel/ Hardware and Sound/ Devices and Printers/ Sansa Fuze8GB  The XP computer simply does not have: Hardware and Sound/ Devices and Printers in it. It is a very nice interface and you can do everything from it even update the firmware.

pvkid

Black-Rectangle wrote:

All my programs run on XP and I don’t need eye candy wasting processor speed. Why would I want to run XP on top of Windows 7 instead of just running XP?  And you have to get the premium Windows 7 for the XP virtual machine.  The Windows 7 Starter they’re cramming into netbooks now (instead of smaller, faster XP) doesn’t have it.

 

I’m pretty tired of the cycle of faster processors and bigger memory to be gobbled up by bloatware. Saying Windows 7 is less bloated than Vista does not mean it is less bloated than XP.

 

By not supporting XP you mean…no more security patches? Shouldn’t they have the thing pretty much fixed after nine years?   Or does it mean no $75 per incident Microsoft Support calls that don’t give you a permanent solution to your problem, but just get it running for now? (That was an expensive mistake I won’t make again.)

 

Also, most significantly, Windows 7, like Vista but not XP, incorporates “Trusted Computing”–which means that you, who paid for the thing, are not trusted one tiny bit.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing

 

Gotta hand it to the Windows naming department though. Trusted Computing is right up there in the irony department  with PlaysforSure. 

Between this^^, and your hatred of MTP,WMP, and DRM, I wouldn’t be surprised if you had your computer room lined with tinfoil. Paranoid much? :stuck_out_tongue:

( that was a joke , btw:wink:  ). 

I skimmed over that link, and it seems like since I don’t do any illegal downloading, be it music, programs or whatever, that I have nothing to worry about. I will consult with my uncle, who built the computer I am getting next month, about any potential worries, just to be sure.

The feature is called “Device Stage” and is new to Windows 7. You can’t have it in Windows XP.

Windows 7 is really nice. It’s not just cosmetic.

Really need to get over the MS hatred, man.

It’s a good product… finally.

I like Vista, too; but that’s just me.  There is no 1 perfect platform or operating system for everyone…just as there is no 1 perfect personal music player.

Microsoft could have easily pulled the plug on XP, when Vista was released; but they didn’t…not because they are nice guys, but because they knew it was in their best interest.

People are naturally reluctant to change, and no OS or Computer manufacturer should force someone to change, if they don’t desire to.

XP still has plenty of fans; and there are several hardware manufacturers that are still offering it as an operating system.  It’s fine if a person wants to upgrade to Vista or Win 7, but at this point, it’s not a mandatory option.

While I totally agree, you don’t HAVE to upgrade.

I am just saying… the hype is true.  It is NOT just a cosmetic upgrade. There are a lot of cool features in 7. It is a good product.

Best MS OS’s in history:

#1 Win98SE

#2 WinXP

#3 Win7

@peregrine wrote:

While I totally agree, you don’t HAVE to upgrade.

I am just saying… the hype is true.  It is NOT just a cosmetic upgrade. There are a lot of cool features in 7. It is a good product.

 

Best MS OS’s in history:

 

 

#1 Win98SE

#2 WinXP

#3 Win7

 

Win98SE? lol. 

You’re wrong. The only decent OS MS released was Xenix. Then they realized it was too good for their standards (well, they hadn’t still such standards, anyways) , dropped it and bought what would become after rebranding PC-DOS/MS-DOS. 

About W7, I can’t say much. I’ve already seen it BSODing with normal use, and its price and minimal requirements are simply prohibitive. 

Ah, and don’t trust Trusted Computing :wink:

“your hatred of MTP,WMP, and DRM, I wouldn’t be surprised if you had your computer room lined with tinfoil. Paranoid much?”

I know you’re joking, and besides, the lead foil wrapped entirely around my bunker takes care of everything.

But you’re right. DRM, WMP’s automated synch, it’s all part of the same thing: control. I like to know what my computer is doing, and I like to do what I want with my music. It’s my computer–I paid for it, I put the programs I want on it, I use it for work and recreation. It has a lot of personal information in it. I don’t like any automation monkeying with it. I don’t like wondering how that file got onto my hard drive.

It’s not Micro$oft hatred. Apple is just as bad. Install iTunes and it throws in Bonjour networking–no option not to–which broke my wireless connection until I finally figured out what was going on and uninstalled it. And didn’t Apple use an “upgrade” to brick the iPhones people had hacked off AT&T? Remember, people paid a bundle for those first iPhones.  Silly, they thought they owned them.

Suppose–simple example–that my Fuze breaks and I want to copy the song onto another gadget, but DRM decides I’ve already made all the allowed copies. Wait a minute–didn’t I buy that album? And now it’s not mine?

Suppose I don’t think the first thing my computer should do every time I boot up is check 20 programs for the latest updates. Shouldn’t I be able to turn off that automation? Trusted Computing could block that. 

Suppose I want to record, for my own enjoyment, something that was webcast as a stream. Trusted Computing would definitely get in the way of that. Luckily it can’t shut off the headphone jack–or maybe it can. There’s a hardware module in there that’s not under user control.

I had already learned a little about Trusted Computing before reading that Wikipedia article, but do take a look at it–the whole concept is a doozy. The people with the remote encryption keys could, as the Windows security updates say, “allow remote code execution.” It’s not just about illegally downloaded music (which, BTW, can be indistinguishable from legally ripped music) but about any file–software, for instance. Microsoft doesn’t like Open Office? It could just break it. Suppose China decided to search all the computers online in China for any file with the words “human rights” and “Tibet” in it, and collect IPs or delete the files. As the article says, “Users have no control over data.”

Perhaps the initial impulse was to stop bootlegging. But if recording and movie companies had their way, they’d unplug the whole internet (and your DVD recorder too).  If the software companies had their way, your computer would explode unless you use their preferred version. There was a huge outcry when the U.S. government wanted to open a backdoor into all computers. But now everyone’s happily installing Windows 7. 

I’m glad you’re not illegally copying music. Perhaps, on that analogy, your car shouldn’t be able to drive over the speed limit–some cruise control should kick in at 65 mph, or whatever the local highway department decides.  Of course, all the older cars would be passing you. But you’d have a nice shiny new car. 

I know I’m strident about this. But I do believe it’s worth thinking about. 

And personally, I don’t think having a cute little picture of the Sansa in Device Stage is really worth that tradeoff. 

Message Edited by Black-Rectangle on 12-01-2009 03:41 PM

There is no right or wrong in this discussion.  Each person should use the operating system that they feel most comfortable with.

Win98SE? lol. 

_________________________

A FULL install of Win98SE? 275 MB. Can’t beat that. :slight_smile:

I do agree with many of Black Rectangles points regarding DRM I DO like it for local libraries that allow me to borrow Audiobooks. So there is at least one reason that DRM is very cool, IMO.

You can get all the DRM you need for library books with Windows XP.

The Trusted Computing aspect of Vista and Windows 7 is much more invasive to your computer.

@black_rectangle wrote:

All my programs run on XP and I don’t need eye candy wasting processor speed. Why would I want to run XP on top of Windows 7 instead of just running XP?  And you have to get the premium Windows 7 for the XP virtual machine.  The Windows 7 Starter they’re cramming into netbooks now (instead of smaller, faster XP) doesn’t have it.

 

I’m pretty tired of the cycle of faster processors and bigger memory to be gobbled up by bloatware. Saying Windows 7 is less bloated than Vista does not mean it is less bloated than XP.

 

By not supporting XP you mean…no more security patches? Shouldn’t they have the thing pretty much fixed after nine years?   Or does it mean no $75 per incident Microsoft Support calls that don’t give you a permanent solution to your problem, but just get it running for now? (That was an expensive mistake I won’t make again.)

 

Also, most significantly, Windows 7, like Vista but not XP, incorporates “Trusted Computing”–which means that you, who paid for the thing, are not trusted one tiny bit.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing

 

Gotta hand it to the Windows naming department though. Trusted Computing is right up there in the irony department  with PlaysforSure. 

You clearly have NOT used 7, I am not saying this as a 7 fanboi, infact, there are things about 7 that drive me a bit batty(i miss classic start menu for example) 

Windows 7 runs FASTER ON THE SAME HARDWARE when compared to windows xp Home and PRO, I have tested this with a STACK of my older systems and systems friends have, The fact is if you have 1gb ram, and an athlon/p3 cpu thats 1gz or better, 7 WILL RUN BETTER then XP sp3 PERIOD, its LIGHTER(the os itself is) then XP, as to “trusted computing” hate to tell you this, but it may not be listed as part of XP but what do you think online activation is?
What do you think all those patches for stuff like windows defender and their malware detector/remover are?

They also update DEP profiles for those who leave DEP enabled(most people dont even know what it is, let alone how to disable it) DEP profiles they update block not only software thats viral/malware, they also are well known to block cracks and keygens from even executing, If your eally want away from this “trusted computing” type stuff you have a couple choices, go *nix, or go back to windows 2k or older.

the complaints i had a bout Vista’s DRM/Trusted Computing are all addressed with 7, It no longer moves files like turtles stampeding through peanut butter in January on the north poll, Infact after some good testing, IT MOVES THEN FASTER THEN XP, 2k, 2k3, Linux(vector,slackware,wolvix), BSD(desktopBSD) Infact this is a real shocker to me, It even moves data faster then a live boot WinPE disk i have when cloning drive data from one drive to the other(and faster then ghost type apps) 

If you where really worried about MS/Windows not trusting you, You wouldnt use XP either, as its ms’s first stab at not trusting ANYBODY, required online activation b4 yo can even use the system AT ALL, Far worse then vista or 7 where you can set it up and activate within 90-120days (rearm) if you dont have a valid key OR just dont got the time/internet connection to do it right away(my buddy had to wait 2 weeks for his net connection when he moved, and he also didnt have a phone at the time, so he couldnt activate on phone) 

Now as to XP mode, You need a “newer” AMD or Intel processor with amd-v or intel VT built in(any system thats not pretty crap will have this) and it dosnt run XP on top of vista, it runs XP apps using virtualization as if they where native Win7 apps, without any noticeable performance hit, This is GREAT for older games, as I have been able to avoid user made hack patches that have their own bugs and issues for games like tribes and starsiege(others as well, this is just an example) 

now for most people XP mode is NOT NEEDED, as most apps, even older ones will run fine or at worst need you to set them to compat mode for 2k or xp, Once thats done the app just THINKS its running on older windows so it wont bitch about not liking your windows version :slight_smile:

Again, If you dont like where windows is headed try vectorlinux(will run on stuff even 2k and xp chug on, yet looks better then XP imho), or slackware or desktop bsd, any of these should be better for a tinfoil hat waring, lead lined bunker living trog then windows ever will be.

Interesting points. Yes, I hate online activation too. I believe I have stopped Windows Update from demanding it every time I log in. 

But online activation is a simple anti-bootlegging measure, not something that calls for remote authentication and other garbage for programs other than Windows, or messes with files other than Windows system files. I have seen cracks and keygens run fine on XP systems. 

And no, I haven’t tried Windows 7. See “cold, dead hard drive” above. What I have read online told me that Windows 7 runs faster than Vista, not XP. But it would be swell if it also beats XP. 

What, pray tell, is virtualization but running XP “on top of” Windows 7? On top of, within…choose your preposition. Glad it runs fast, however. 

As I understand it, Trusted Computing is still different from Windows Defender and Data Execution Prevention–which, in my XP computer, can be limited to “essential Windows programs and services only.”  Trusted Computing apparently includes additional software–“curtained memory”–and hardware that the user can’t get to, even if she is a galactic-level h4x0r. I don’t want to have to dismantle my computer to copy a DVD.

I’d love to switch to Linux. But I don’t want to spend the rest of my days tweaking software (including at least one ancient DOS program I use daily) that works fine right now on XP.