slotRadio on Sansa Fuze!

You find the slot, I found the radio. Then maybe else someone will create the hacked firmware.

@shelded wrote:
You find the slot, I found the radio. Then maybe else someone will create the hacked firmware.

I was looking for a hint as to whether or not the Clip would ever get a slot.:wink:

@shelded wrote:

I am under the impression that SlotRadio does nothing but play these prepared cards. The SlotMusic cards may not even play in the SlotRadio.

 

(snip)

 

Since I’m here posting again, I thought I would point out that the Fuze is displaying album art but I think the SlotRadio does not have that feature. The SlotRadio is apparently some afterthought while the Fuze is the real thing.

The whole idea behind SlotRadio players is to produce a very very cheap MP3 player. In fact, last I heard, they won’t even have a proper screen, just control buttons. It’s for people that just want music to play, and they want it to play now. As in, it’s not for really any of us that would be posting on these forums.

The Fuze is the real deal, a SlotRadio player is just a player, nothing more. That’s also why it’s half the price of a Fuze.

As far as interoperability goes, Sansa would be making a massive mistake if the SlotRadio player only worked with SlotRadio cards, so I doubt that will be the case. They aren’t that stupid, we hope.

One of the smart things that Sandisk did do is to make the fuze compatible with slotradio cards.   Fuze owners can purchase a card without the need to purchase another player.  The player is a little overpriced, IMHO, especially since a 2GB fuze is almost the same price.

As far as interoperability goes, Sansa would be making a massive mistake if the SlotRadio player only worked with SlotRadio cards, so I doubt that will be the case. They aren’t that stupid, we hope.

In addition to the slotRadio cards, the slotRadio player will also play music on any microSD card, including slotMusic cards.  It does read ID3 tags, but seems to navigate by folder.  The screen is monochromatic, and does not seem to display album art, at least I haven’t seen any so far.

You know, slatradio is all very well and good, and I’m glad you folks offer that feature, but could you *please* finish fixing the .ogg playback and hang bugs now, and hold off on the new features until they are done?

Also, how come we can’t rewind or skip back witin a song or go back to a previous song using slotradio?  Is this a deliberate limitation of the “musical product?” 

I’ve noticed a kind of “mom and pop could use it” quality in some of the replies, but - well - I’m way past being a “pop” and I *never* liked beinfg forced in any direction, period.  That’s why I bother to learn things. 

The limitations of slotRadio as far as rewind/replay is concerned are advertised on the card packaging and on the website:

*slotRadio™ cards contain 1000 songs pre-programmed in music playlists for unlimited playback with slotRadio-compatible devices only. Visit slotRadio.org for slotRadio compatible devices. Much like radio, these songs are played in sequence and cannot be rewound or rearranged, yet in slotRadio™, individual songs can be skipped as often as you want. Song and playlist files cannot be copied or viewed (for example on a PC).

1000 songs for $40? Think of it as cached Internet radio in your pocket… The playlists are very well crafted and quite long.

I just got a Radio Shack ad. They wish to call themselves The Shack, but for years I have called them Rip Shack, if I must use a different name it will be that one. The ad led me to discover that the new retail price of the SR card is $50!!!

I guess they sold so many they feel bold.

Obviously they didn’t sell them here.

I bought one and am very happy with it. But I can’t see buying another, since it’s taken me months to get through the whole thing and the other cards seem so unappealing.

Imo there are two main problems with Slotradio cards on the Fuze. First of all, one can’t set up a playlist to play just their favorite songs on the card in the order they want. If this would be available, then the cards would be much more useful. The second problem is the price. For most people, $50 is not an impulse purchase. An impulse purchase is $20 or under. If 400 song cards would be priced at $20 or less, the demand would probably be much greater than for 1,000 song cards at $50.

@shelded wrote:

I just got a Radio Shack ad. They wish to call themselves The Shack, but for years I have called them Rip Shack, if I must use a different name it will be that one.

I’ve always liked Radio Hack myself, or Rad Hack for short. :stuck_out_tongue:

Don’t think this is gonna last long…Leave RADIO on the RADIO…I bought an MP3 player to play MY music and to have TOTAL control over it…Now Slot Music is OK, but Slot Radio…give me a break…I can listen to the radio on my Sansa for free…Why woud I pay for it…So OK…it has no comercials or talk, so what???

This slap is directed at Slot Radio, and NOT the Sansa Fuze, which rocks!!!

@tapeworm wrote:


@shelded wrote:

I just got a Radio Shack ad. They wish to call themselves The Shack, but for years I have called them Rip Shack, if I must use a different name it will be that one.


I’ve always liked Radio Hack myself, or Rad Hack for short. :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ve heard them called Rat Shack too. :smileyvery-happy:

this is basically sansa’s way of itunes… im not gonna pay for music i can download for free. period .

@reesehugg wrote:
this is basically sansa’s way of itunes… im not gonna pay for music i can download for free. period .

Hope you’re not talking about illegal downloads…that is not allowed.

My question is this…

Now that the new update moved the SlotMusic to the first tier of the menu.  I am wanting to create my own version of a SlotMusic chip.  I have purchased a 8 GB chip and have most of my music on my computer system and downloaded to my FUZE to listen to.  One of the features they are talking about is that slotradio and slotmusic are DRM free.  So are my music files.  I just want to same them on a chip too.

Maybe just maybe I will be able to figure out the format.  There is no way I am going to buy one of the chips at BEST BUY @ 45.00 a chip.  It would have to be in the collection format I would love before I spend 50% of what the player cost for 1 chip.

i think you have to buy THEIR chips. .  :frowning:

@reesehugg wrote:
i think you have to buy THEIR chips. .  :frowning:

No, you don’t. You can load your own music on a microSD card and the Fuze will play it just fine.

@marquis6461 wrote:

My question is this…

 

Now that the new update moved the SlotMusic to the first tier of the menu.  I am wanting to create my own version of a SlotMusic chip.  I have purchased a 8 GB chip and have most of my music on my computer system and downloaded to my FUZE to listen to.  One of the features they are talking about is that slotradio and slotmusic are DRM free.  So are my music files.  I just want to same them on a chip too.

 

@Maybe just maybe I will be able to figure out the format.  There is no way I am going to buy one of the chips at BEST BUY @ 45.00 a chip.  It would have to be in the collection format I would love before I spend 50% of what the player cost for 1 chip.

 

 

Ah, it’s an economy of scale issue then?  Just because the player is inexpensive, the media on it cannot be expected to be discounted.  You’re purchasing two different products, you see.  The SanDisk player is an incredible value if you really think about it.  The wee machines cost slightly more than a service “contract” or extended warranty for some other players.

Yet we cannot expect a music vendor to radically discount their product, as we’re dealing with a different entity in this case.  Don’t get me wrong, as I have a serious bone to pick with the record labels here too.  Case in point:


In the eighties, when the Compact Disc debuted, it cost $1.01 (remembering the article, it’s been a long time, so bear with me- the numbers were so surprising that I committed them to memory) to produce a vinyl LP in its cardboard jacket.  A Compact Cassette in its wee box cost $0.17, and a CD, in the jewel box, cost $0.11.  The topic of the article was the demise of the Long Playing Record, and the economic realities of the time.  Never mind that the average listener could pick up a CD transport cheaply, the discs were small and convenient, et cetera.

The scariest part in my mind was the margin involved: At the time, an LP sold for $7.99 average, close to the cassette, but the CD debuted at $24 and dropped to about $17.  Interesting, the venerable CD never dropped until many years later.  Look at the average CD price in its most economical venue, the Internet.  If you wish to please the accountants, please factor-in shipping to adjust the actual price.

Download prices have been based upon the CD, divided by the number of tracks.  Yet the record labels don’t have to produce anything more from an end product standpoint only than a single server connected to the internet.  Please factor in the following costs to be fair to them.  Now this is just the end product, for a fair comparison against the numbers in my wrinkled brain.  Let’s see, server consumption in terms of kw/h, heat dissipation in BTU/h and the requisite cooling, illumination of the computer room, again a few more kw/h, and the lease on the few square feet of computer room floorspace.  Yes you can add incidentals, the dillweed that checks whether the machine is still plugged in, and the dweeb that spilled a Pepsi on the generic keyboard, necessitating a replacement, if you wish. 

Do you care to venture a guess at the end cost compared to a physical product.  I wish to maintain my sanity, so I won’t.


Hey, cool!  I made my own little sidebar.  Back on point then?  The SlotRadio and SlotMusic experiences and interface are quite different.

SlotMusic is fun, and you get a bulletproof metal-framed tank of a player to boot, with an absurdly simple control arrangement.  If you add up the individual components, you’ll be pleasantly surprised.  It comes with a battery, headphones, and a µSD card installed.  It’s surprising that they actually include a complete album into the deal.  DRM-free 256kb/s resolution MP3 too.

The SlotRadio concept is a wee bit different.  Back to the cost issue we must venture: the record labels have negotiated with SanDisk to provide a “captive” version of their product at a fraction of the current retail price.  Again, think of economies of scale.  How much is 1,000 songs at current download prices?  I’ll wait until you can find that pocket calculator, shake the beads on that abacus, or go to the Start button on the PC, selecting Accessories > Calculator.

The negotiated deal is for pennies per song, and there are a lot of them on that µSD card.  The tradeoff is that you can’t randomly select a specific song.  If you could do that, why would you purchase the valuable individual track?  Thus, the songs are arranged like in radio.  For the younger crowd, that means “streaming audio off the Internet”.

In my younger days, I’ve had friends in the broadcast both, and in the transmitter engineer’s chair.  To the chagrin of the station manager and the owner, I have participated in practical jokes in both venues, things that have popped up on the air.  But I digress.  You cannot have complete control over the access of the SlotRadio card, other than selecting a new “channel”, skipping forward, and having a look at the current track information.  Come to think of it, I like being able to snap forward if the current song is irritating.

Changing the song used to involve a phone call.  And I sometimes got a freshly cued track that they knew I detested, with the gain adjusted slightly.  Thanks, man.  It was fun, nevertheless.  I won’t admit to any of those things found dangling from the tower, colored bulbs installed in the coil “hut”, or guy wires happily draped with flags and balloons appropriated from the local car dealership.  Or tape cartridges mislabelled, LPs with wrong labels…I wouldn’t dream of doing such things.

Bob  :smileyvery-happy:

Message Edited by neutron_bob on 10-20-2009 09:50 PM

@gwk1967 wrote:


@reesehugg wrote:
i think you have to buy THEIR chips. .  :frowning:


 

No, you don’t. You can load your own music on a microSD card and the Fuze will play it just fine.

True, but . . . it won’t be listed under the SlotMusic icon as it appears marquis wishes it would be and is wanting to hack a way for it to.

If you load your own music on a valid SlotMusic card, you can access it from the main menu under the SlotMusic icon.  It’s also available using the regular artist / album / song navigation method.

Bob  :wink: