My Clip doesn't show double cd's correctly!

I have the 8gb Sansa Clip, and very happy with it so far, but today when putting a few cd’s worth of mp3’s I noticed something very strange that I never saw with my Zen Vision M or when I had the Zen MicroPhoto. Anyway, the artist is Michael Schenker Group, and I ripped 2 different double live cd’s and put them on the clip. Here’s what’s weird…the one cd is titled The Michael Schenker Story Live, and the other one is titled The Unforgiven World Tour. They both have 2 discs, and the album titles have disc 1 and 2 after them respectively. I checked the tags and disc 1 and 2 match each other for each album, from what I can see. So, both of these cd’s are in ONE folder called Michael Schenker Group like this http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1…sicfolders.jpg
I put this folder on the clip and when I go to Music/Artists, there are 2 Michael Schenker Group listed…click on the first one and it has The Michael Schenker Story Live (Disc 1), and The Unforgiven World Tour (Disc 2). Click on the second one, and it has The Michael Schenker Story Live (Disc 2), and The Unforgiven World Tour (Disc 2). This doesn’t make sense to me, especially when I go into the clip via my computer, and it shows one Michael Schenker Group folder, and the 2 albums are shown like this http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j1…ansafolder.jpg
when I open it. If I go to Albums on the Clip, they are shown in order.Is there something wrong with the device or is there some difference between how this player reads files compared to the Zen, because this never happened with that player. Any advice greatly appreciated, and thanks very much, in advance!

I dont know about the Zen but this player does not care about folders. It reads the Id3tag in the file. The mix up could be something simple in the tags like the word “The” if you had it on some files but not on others that could cause the confusion. If it plays back fine I wouldnt worry about it.

Something else you could try is that if you are in MSC mode you could drag and drop the right files to the right folder, it shouldnt change the playback. But as I said… I wouldnt worry about it.

Thank you, but I have to worry about it, as it isn’t right. It’s showing Disc 1 of one cd in one folder with Disc 2 of the other cd in that same folder, and then Disc 2 that goes with Disc 1 in the first folder in the second folder. I checked the tags, and there is nothing off like you are saying. I should be able to go to an artist, pick an album, and if it’s a double, see disc 1 and 2 in order under that album title.

Message Edited by acillatem on 05-01-2009 09:14 AM

Here are screenshots of all 4 discs, opened in mp3tag…I personally don’t see anything wrong. If anyones sees what might be a problem, I’d appreciate any advice. Thanks!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/schenker1.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/schenker2.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/schenker3.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/schenker4.jpg

@acillatem wrote:

Here are screenshots of all 4 discs, opened in mp3tag…I personally don’t see anything wrong. If anyones sees what might be a problem, I’d appreciate any advice. Thanks!

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/schenker1.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/schenker2.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/schenker3.jpg

http://i80.photobucket.com/albums/j161/metalliholic06/schenker4.jpg

Strange they look fine. Something I would try… is removing the () on the disk number… Its worth a try…

Someone pointed out what it was…2 out of the 4 discs have a space before the artist name, and the other 2 don’t, and it is one disc from each of the albums, that’s how it mixed them up the way it did. I would have never caught that. I thought there was a space on 2 of them, but never figured that to be a problem, since the name was right, and figured that’s all the device cares about when it reads the tag, but apparently the space essentially changes the artist “name”. I tagged them with EAC, and it gets the info from an online database…maybe I should use another method. Thank you for your help though!

I tag my files like this. Adding a disc number tag makes things easier so you can group all of the songs together without having to add the distracting "(disc _)"s in the album tags:

The fuze or the clip will store them all under one album, and with a firmware update, they might even sort them 100% correctly even with the track tags.

But for general media players that do sort properly, this format is good to use.

Message Edited by d_headshot on 05-01-2009 03:41 PM

Thanks for the tip…that’s a good idea. To make sure I have this right…with the example you gave,I’m assuming you put all the tracks from both discs in one folder , then changed the numbers on the file names only, obviously leaving the track numbers in the tags alone, then you highlight the first track, set everything like shown, clicked save, then highlighted track 11, set everything as shown, clicked save again, then put all this as one folder on your device, correct? Also, you take the disc 1 and disc 2 out of the tags on all tracks, yes?

Message Edited by acillatem on 05-01-2009 07:38 PM

I put all of the songs in one folder. For folder based mp3 players, I might sometimes put them in two subfolders in the album.

As for track info, for this particular album, there are 15 songs total, and 2 discs; 10 on the first, 5 on the second. Every song has the same album tag but the first 10 have track tags 1/10…10/10 and disc number 1/2. The last five have tags 1/5…5/5 and disc number 2/2 because each disc has seperate tracks. The clip and the fuze sort by track number so you may have some disc 2 songs mixed up with disc 1 songs in the list, etc. which will hopefully be fixed in an firmware update.

To make sure that any mp3 player will sort them correctly(usually sorted by track number), you could also tag them like:

All songs with the track tags 1/15…15/15, with the first 10 having the disc number 1/2, and the last five being disc 2/2.

Message Edited by d_headshot on 05-01-2009 08:53 PM

O.k. so I was correct about changing the file name numbers, hence all the tracks showing as 1-15…didn’t know you were changing the track tags on each track to 1/10, 2/10, 3/10 etc. Thought you were just doing the first one of each disc, but I should have realized that you’d havce to do each track. Thanks for the tip…it’s cool to have double cd’s as one file.

Message Edited by acillatem on 05-01-2009 09:30 PM

@acillatem wrote:

O.k. so I was correct about changing the file name numbers, hence all the tracks showing as 1-15…didn’t know you were changing the track tags on each track to 1/10, 2/10, 3/10 etc. Thought you were just doing the first one of each disc, but I should have realized that you’d havce to do each track. Thanks for the tip…it’s cool to have double cd’s as one file.

Message Edited by acillatem on 05-01-2009 09:30 PM

Yeah the file names can be 1-15, 01-15, etc. I like this because it’s how some folder based mp3 players sort files.

Alternatively, you could also make two folders in the album folder titled “Disc 1”(contains filenames 1-10) and “Disc 2”(contains file names 1-5), and organize them with the “2 discs and seperate tracks” format that I showed you in my above post.

P.s. If you would like add track tags to multiple files, let’s say the whole disc 1, highlight all of those files and click Tools>Auto-numbering wizard. When the window pops up, put a check beside “Save total count of tracks”. Click okay and it will automatically tag disc 1 files with the track tags 1/10…10/10(assuming we’re using my files as an example). Repeat the process for other discs and you can easily do this in a couple of seconds. But make sure the disc tags are correct because you wouldn’t want to have to go back to searching through a cd booklet or wikipedia to find out which tracks are on which disc lol.

Message Edited by d_headshot on 05-02-2009 09:36 AM