iPod touch: and so, where's the microSD slot?!?

Just to open up some imaginations about card slot usage … 

Besides serving as adjunct music storage, here are my other actual uses:

  1. audio on a card taken directly from a radio recorder (Pogo Radio YourWay LX or CC Witness).
  2. video on a card taken directly from a Sandisk V-mate video recorder.
  3. public library audiobooks’ external storage (they don’t expire, so why not get them while they’re available and put them on cheap removable storage rather than fill up valuable internal storage?)

I do all three of the above on my Sansa Connect.  The Fuze doesn’t do #1 well (it doesn’t resume files untagged Podcast/Audiobook or unstored in Podcasts/Audiobooks), and doesn’t do #2 (I haven’t yet found a V-mate video format that the Fuze supports). 

I also run an internet radio recording app, Radiotracker 6, for about three hours at a time to collect music of a particular genre.  I prefer to segregate that music onto a card, to easily locate a recording session/genre (for easy deletion of songs I don’t like.

I do these things on the Fuze, Connect, and other MP3 players with slots, and a PDA, and a PSP Go.  With a slotless Touch, it’s no longer “pop in a card and go,” but rather going through the intermediaries of a PC and iTunes (including waiting for format conversion).

Ah, let’s stir this pot a wee bit.

I had a thought after reading “comparing a bicycle to a Cadillac”.

Okay then, read this page about expensive bicycles.  Granted, there may be some really nice Cadillacs out there (I will completely forego that rebadged GMC truck called the “Escalade” from my list, what a horrible tank!), but it boils down to personal preferences, I think.

Each player has its strong attributes, and its weaknesses.  Regarding the Touch, it’s an interesting beast, to say the least.  The big display, a nice expanse of real glass, is nice to work with.  But let’s look at the whole machine, shall we?  It’s an _ iPhone with a whole collection of bits and pieces (the phone section) robbed from the device. _ Hardly an innovation, just a different set of components.

My hat’s off to Apple, who have convinced folks it’s handy to place a huge device against the side of one’s head, making it fashionable to have a device reminiscent of this thing (hey, I had one back in the day too!):

Hey, while I’m in rant mode, I have two friends with broken face glass panels, on the new iPhone 4- is this going to be common?  It’s just under $200 to fix this, holey moley!

I actually do like the overall design of the new Apples, but have strong reservation with the “device for the masses” marketing hoopla that follows all things Apple.  Sorry, I cannot be yet one more of the lemmings running for that cliff, or giving an impromptu interview with the local news, explaining why I was camped out all night at the Apple store.  You can’t sling “fan boi” out there when these guys exist, now that’s dedication, I guess.  It’s something pretty hard to quantify, to say the least.

If the Touch is your cup-o-tea, I can’t fault your choice, it’s a nice machine.  I prefer coffee, incidentally.  And a smaller device.  Then again, what do I know?  I also prefer a basic Nokia with two simple red and green call and end buttons.  If it’s going to be a phone, especially a radiotelephone, sound quality and RF performance are my criteria. 

I think I’m more turned off by Steve Jobs’ performance than Apple’s devices.  Talk about eccentric.  The iPhone demo where he got a little hissy over having a clean WiFi connection was a case in point, now that was good stuff.  Later, the embroglio over the “lost” prototype that wandered over to Gizmodo was, well…

Bob  :stuck_out_tongue:

My main point isn’t that the Clip+ is a terrible machine.  It does everything it is supposed to do; and with rockbox it would serve my needs quite well, if it weren’t so darn tiny.  In a pinch, I’ll use mine, if I want to struggle using it’s small controls; but with it’s short battery life and small design, it will never be my favored player.


I’ve had my Touch for a month or so now, and haven’t discovered any weaknessness for the way I use a player.  It’s size is about perfect, the controls work flawslessly, it sounds great and the 40+ hr. battery life is just what I want in a unit.  I don’t use the telephone, so I have no use for that feature in a unit.  So, for me, I believe I’ve found my ideal player (for me).


It’s great that people like the Clip series of players; but for some, like myself, smaller is not better.


And frankly, I really can’t offer any sympathy to anyone dumb enough (or careless) to break the front panel glass in their unit.  Maybe I treat my players with a bit more respect than the average user.  I dunno.  In all the years I’ve had handheld or portable devices, I’ve never had a single breakage.


I just know this…I really think that Sandisk is on the right path with the current Fuze+.  If the Clip+'s successor is of similar design and size factor of the current model, I will gladly pass on the opportunity to own one.

@fuze_owner_gb wrote:


It’s great that people like the Clip series of players; but for some, like myself, smaller is not better.

Yep, you’ve said that many time here.  I’m not sure why someone goes to a manufacturer’s forum to state (repeatedly) that he doesn’t like the manufacturer’s product, but I guess it’s a hobby.   ;)   

 

For some of us (I guess we don’t have large fingers), the size is just great for many uses (exercising, around water in a waterproof pouch, not having to worry about where to store the player, easy transfer of files via a microSD card and without the need for a computer (as stated above), etc.), without fear of damaging a larger player (like a touch).

@miikerman wrote:


@fuze_owner_gb wrote:


It’s great that people like the Clip series of players; but for some, like myself, smaller is not better.

 


 

Yep, you’ve said that many time here.  I’m not sure why someone goes to a manufacturer’s forum to state (repeatedly) that he doesn’t like the manufacturer’s product, but I guess it’s a hobby.   ;)   

 

For some of us (I guess we don’t have large fingers), the size is just great for many uses (exercising, around water in a waterproof pouch, not having to worry about where to store the player, easy transfer of files via a microSD card and without the need for a computer (as stated above), etc.), without fear of damaging a larger player (like a touch).

Oh, mr. outta here is back…  No surprise.


The only way manufacturer’s are going to change their products, is by actually listening to customer complaints.  If they don’t, it’s their loss, not mine.


Not that I need your approval, but since I own a Clip+, I have every right to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the clip+ is corrected.  Oh, and if I ruffle your feathers along the way, all the better…:smileyvery-happy:

 

PS.  I guess you were too busy listening to yourself talk to notice that I really, really like the Fuze+.  Best Sansa product I’ve ever owned…

I must agree with you, GB, they’re on the right track with the Fuze+ in terms of overall size and function.  The AMS device platform has a major edge with handling the music database, currently.  Solving that, and making the new machine boot as rapidly as the Clip+ does, would be wonderful.

I’ll more than gladly sacrifice a few MB of memory to that end.

As we’re mentioning “touch” in this thread, getting the touchpad refined on the Fuze+ will be a huge stride in the right direction, as the machine has great potential.

Bob  :stuck_out_tongue:

Cycling the last few days, I’ve been listening to a few backlogged BBC NewsPod episodes.  On the go, you really can’t beat the little Clip+.  I like to run the headset cable down my jacket sleeve, with the device on my wrist like a watch.

When the rain picks up, I simply move it to the jersey sleeve, with the Clip protected under the rain jacket.  It’s the one time when I run with the bud in my right ear only.

The controls are wonderful for this application, a limitation of the Fuze+, as the bigger machine is cumbersome on the fly.

I had forgotten how the Clip+ functions with the podcast “paused”, if the forward button is held, the device zooms through the episodes rapidly, and when returning to your 'cast, it starts at the saved point immediately.  Quite handy.

Every time I boot the wee Clip+, I can’t help but compare the response against the Fuze+.  This little thing is refreshingly fast.

Bob  :stuck_out_tongue:

@neutron_bob wrote:

I must agree with you, GB, they’re on the right track with the Fuze+ in terms of overall size and function.

Except audiobooks, right?  I don’t own the Fuze+, as the posts in that forum seemed to indicate it’s a step backwards from the more dedicated OverDrive audiobooks support of the Fuze/Clip+/Clip.  Yes, there are workarounds, but not as nice as the Fuze’s more direct support.  Is that correct?  Or should I reconsider the Fuze+ for spoken word?  I had read somewhere that the Fuze+'s firmware was based on the Sansa View’s.

[Apologies if this question is too OT.]

@fuze_owner_gb wrote:

 


I have every right to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the clip+ is corrected. 


 

I reread this thread to find out what you think is the major design flaw you want corrected.  It seems it’s the small size, which doesn’t work for you.

But why would you want that “corrected?”

  1. Fuze.  That’s functionally a big Clip+.   Problem solved, no?

  2. Let’s say you don’t like the Fuze as a Clip+ “correction.”  You just want a bigger Clip+.  So despite others loving the Clip+ exactly for its small size, you want us to have no such choice, and that market to be crushed? 

Really, if you bought the Clip+ sight unseen, it was probably for a better internet price–you takes your chances.  It’s time to sell on eBay.

The View firmware is different, in mi4 format, using the NVIDIA chipset.  The Fuze+ solves many problems experienced with the earlier device, having a nice display for video, and it’s more open to various video sources.

The Fuze+ uses the Freescale processor, a new device for the Sansa, with firmware in the sb format.

I like the seamless way the AMS processor Sansas handle audiobooks, this includes the two Clips, the e200v2, and the original Fuze.

For the Fuze+, development and “tweaking” of the interface is ongoing, just like the previous models when they debuted.

If you have a look at the motherboard of the View, its population of chips is stunning, it has a lot of hardware in there.

Bob  :stuck_out_tongue:

Thanks much, neutron_bob.  Always appreciate your knowledgeable posts.  Will be reconsidering the Fuze+, esp. for its bigger 2.4" screen and more standard video support (there’s probably a V-mate format that will allow me to pop in a recorded card and play).

@jj2me wrote:

 




 

  1. Fuze.  That’s functionally a big Clip+.   Problem solved, no?
  1. Let’s say you don’t like the Fuze as a Clip+ “correction.”  You just want a bigger Clip+.  So despite others loving the Clip+ exactly for its small size, you want us to have no such choice, and that market to be crushed? 

 

 

As far as I am concerned, the only thing the Fuze has over the Clip+ is battery life and the color screen (for the album art lovers) . But I vastly prefer the buttons of the Clip+ over the Fuze’s scrollwheel. I was hoping the Fuze+ would end up being a bigger Clip+, at least control-wise. However, I have two of each, Fuze and Clip+,  and with Rockbox to unleash their capabilities a little more, I have uses for all four players. Will that change when I get a Touch? Perhaps…that might be the time to sell one of the Fuzes.

I am not a “Fuze-basher” per se…the Fuze was my first ever MP3 player, and a great way to get into the hobby…(manual? I don’t need no steenking manual with this thing). :stuck_out_tongue: When the Clip+ hit the scene,though,  I was definitely over the scrollwheel, at least for on-the-go use. Now, I use my V1 Fuze as a source hooked to powered computer speakers at work…set it to shuffle all and it’s good to go…and the V2 Fuze for bedtime listening with my Grados. Everywhere else, I use the Clip+'s.

@fuze_owner_gb wrote:

 


Oh, mr. outta here is back…  No surprise.


The only way manufacturer’s are going to change their products, is by actually listening to customer complaints.  If they don’t, it’s their loss, not mine.


Not that I need your approval, but since I own a Clip+, I have every right to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the clip+ is corrected.  Oh, and if I ruffle your feathers along the way, all the better…:smileyvery-happy:

 

PS.  I guess you were too busy listening to yourself talk to notice that I really, really like the Fuze+.  Best Sansa product I’ve ever owned…


 LOL--  Glad you have your hobby–you seem to just want to argue.  LOL.

 

And yes, post as much as you want–but there’s no “major design flaw” of the Clip, as much as you post about it.  Just that the Clip doesn’t fit your fingers. Most people don’t seem to have that problem.  You’re not ruffling any feathers–you’ve already established yourself.  LOL.

fuze_owner-GB wrote: 


Oh, mr. outta here is back…  No surprise.


The
only way manufacturer’s are going to change their products, is by
actually listening to customer complaints.  If they don’t, it’s their
loss, not mine.


Not
that I need your approval, but since I own a Clip+, I have every right
to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the
clip+ is corrected.  Oh, and if I ruffle your feathers along the way,
all the better…:smileyvery-happy:

 

PS. 
I guess you were too busy listening to yourself talk to notice that I
really, really like the Fuze+.  Best Sansa product I’ve ever owned…


 LOL--  Glad you have your hobby–you seem to just want to argue.  :smileyvery-happy:

 

And yes, post as much as you want–but there’s no “major design flaw” of the Clip, as much as you post about it.  Just that the Clip doesn’t fit your fingers. Most people don’t seem to have that problem.  You’re not ruffling any feathers–you’ve already established yourself.  And glad you like the Fuze (but this is the Clip forum)–hopefully you’re posting there.

fuze_owner-GB wrote: 


Oh, mr. outta here is back…  No surprise.


The
only way manufacturer’s are going to change their products, is by
actually listening to customer complaints.  If they don’t, it’s their
loss, not mine.


Not
that I need your approval, but since I own a Clip+, I have every right
to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the
clip+ is corrected.  Oh, and if I ruffle your feathers along the way,
all the better…:smileyvery-happy:

 

PS. 
I guess you were too busy listening to yourself talk to notice that I
really, really like the Fuze+.  Best Sansa product I’ve ever owned…


 LOL--  Glad you have your hobby, posting in the thread I started.   :smileyvery-happy:

 

And yes, post as much as you want–but there’s no “major design flaw” of the Clip, as much as you post about it.  It’s just your issue, that the Clip doesn’t fit your fingers. Most people don’t have that problem.  You’re not ruffling any feathers–you’ve already established yourself.  And glad you like the Fuze and that it fits your needs (but this is the Clip forum)–that’s why companies have different models.  Hopefully you’re posting in that forum.

@miikerman wrote:


fuze_owner-GB wrote: 


Oh, mr. outta here is back…  No surprise.


The
only way manufacturer’s are going to change their products, is by
actually listening to customer complaints.  If they don’t, it’s their
loss, not mine.


Not
that I need your approval, but since I own a Clip+, I have every right
to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the
clip+ is corrected.  Oh, and if I ruffle your feathers along the way,
all the better…:smileyvery-happy:

 

PS. 
I guess you were too busy listening to yourself talk to notice that I
really, really like the Fuze+.  Best Sansa product I’ve ever owned…


 LOL--  Glad you have your hobby, posting in the thread I started.   :smileyvery-happy:

 

And yes, post as much as you want–but there’s no “major design flaw” of the Clip, as much as you post about it.  It’s just your issue, that the Clip doesn’t fit your fingers. Most people don’t have that problem.  You’re not ruffling any feathers–you’ve already established yourself. And glad you like the Fuze and that it fits your needs (but this is the Clip forum)–that’s why companies have different models.  Hopefully you’re posting in that forum.


and says you can’t play the “but this is the Clip forum” card, when you started this thread, which is titled “Re: iPod touch: and so, where’s the microSD slot?!?” in the Clip forum.:stuck_out_tongue:

@marvin_martian wrote:

 


@miikerman wrote:


fuze_owner-GB wrote: 


Oh, mr. outta here is back…  No surprise.


The
only way manufacturer’s are going to change their products, is by
actually listening to customer complaints.  If they don’t, it’s their
loss, not mine.


Not
that I need your approval, but since I own a Clip+, I have every right
to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the
clip+ is corrected.  Oh, and if I ruffle your feathers along the way,
all the better…:smileyvery-happy:

 

PS. 
I guess you were too busy listening to yourself talk to notice that I
really, really like the Fuze+.  Best Sansa product I’ve ever owned…


 LOL--  Glad you have your hobby, posting in the thread I started.   :smileyvery-happy:

 

And yes, post as much as you want–but there’s no “major design flaw” of the Clip, as much as you post about it.  It’s just your issue, that the Clip doesn’t fit your fingers. Most people don’t have that problem.  You’re not ruffling any feathers–you’ve already established yourself. And glad you like the Fuze and that it fits your needs (but this is the Clip forum)–that’s why companies have different models.  Hopefully you’re posting in that forum.


 

 


and says you can’t play the “but this is the Clip forum” card, when you started this thread, which is titled “Re: iPod touch: and so, where’s the microSD slot?!?” in the Clip forum.:stuck_out_tongue:

 

Good point, MM.  I still think this whole thread is hilarious… How devoted people are to a stupid media player…and how upset they become when someone else doesn’t appreciate their “ideal player”…:smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy: :smileyvery-happy:

 

The clip series could be good players if Sandisk took 5 minutes and did a few things to improve the functionality for those with larger hands and correct the horrid battery life.   Also, to add .aac support would be nice so us users of that format wouldn’t have to install the bloated Rockbox.  But, in reallity, I doubt if any of those things will ever happen.  But No big deal for me.  It’s quite evident to me that the media player segment of Sandisk’s company is more of a hobby than anything else.

 

Hey, this thread was a good start, but like MM pointed out; it was placed in the wrong section.  There needs to be a iPod or iPod Touch section on the Sansa board!   :smileyvery-happy: :wink: :smileyvery-happy:

@jj2me wrote:

 


@fuze_owner_gb wrote:

 


I have every right to post as many times as I see fit, until the major design flaw of the clip+ is corrected. 


 

 

I reread this thread to find out what you think is the major design flaw you want corrected.  It seems it’s the small size, which doesn’t work for you.

 

But why would you want that “corrected?”

  1. Fuze.  That’s functionally a big Clip+.   Problem solved, no?
  1. Let’s say you don’t like the Fuze as a Clip+ “correction.”  You just want a bigger Clip+.  So despite others loving the Clip+ exactly for its small size, you want us to have no such choice, and that market to be crushed? 

 

Really, if you bought the Clip+ sight unseen, it was probably for a better internet price–you takes your chances.  It’s time to sell on eBay.

 

Nah, more bother than it’s worth.  Money isn’t the issue, the product is.  If I feel that I don’t want to keep it any longer, I will have great delight in smashing it to bits using my favorite sledgehammer…:smileyvery-happy:

 

 

@fuze_owner_gb wrote:

 

 

The clip series could be good players if Sandisk took 5 minutes and did a few things to improve the functionality for those with larger hands and correct the horrid battery life.   Also, to add .aac support would be nice so us users of that format wouldn’t have to install the bloated Rockbox.  But, in reallity, I doubt if any of those things will ever happen.  But No big deal for me.  It’s quite evident to me that the media player segment of Sandisk’s company is more of a hobby than anything else.

 

Hey, this thread was a good start, but like MM pointed out; it was placed in the wrong section.  There needs to be a iPod or iPod Touch section on the Sansa board!   :smileyvery-happy: :wink: :smileyvery-happy:


 

I guess SanDisk does have a player for people with “larger fingers”:  the Fuze (which you like).  But for the life of me, with my Clip in front of me right now, I just don’t see a problem for larger fingers (but then, I guess I just don’t have them).  I agree that more battery life would be nice–but for a player this size, I can deal with a full day’s worth of charge (and just recharge at night).  As to aac support, I think SanDisk goofed, there–it would help bring in the iPod crowd and more than make up for the aac license fee–or hey, SanDisk, just raise the price of the Clip a dollar.  (But Rockbox bloated?  Maybe in features …)

And sorry, but I placed this thread here on purpose:  to note the great benifit, again, of the microSD card slot in the small Clip+, when something as nice as the iPod touch doesn’t have a slot.  Remember the topic of this thread?   :wink:

@fuze_owner_gb wrote:

The
clip series could be good players if Sandisk took 5 minutes and did a
few things to improve the functionality for those with larger hands and
correct the horrid battery
life.   Also, to add .aac support would be nice so us users of that
format wouldn’t have to install the bloated Rockbox.  But, in reallity,
I doubt if any of those things will ever happen.  But No big deal for
me.  It’s quite evident to me that the media player segment of
Sandisk’s company is more of a hobby than anything else.

 

Hey,
this thread was a good start, but like MM pointed out; it was placed in
the wrong section.  There needs to be a iPod or iPod Touch section on
the Sansa board!   :smileyvery-happy: :wink: :smileyvery-happy:


 I guess SanDisk does have a player for people with “larger fingers”:  the Fuze.  But for the life of me, with my Clip in front of me right now, I just don’t see a problem for larger fingers (but then, I guess I just don’t have them).  I agree that more battery life would be nice–but for a player this size, I can deal with a full day’s worth of charge (and just recharge at night).  As to aac support, I also think SanDisk goofed, there–it would help bring in the iPod crowd and more than make up for the aac license fee–or hey, SanDisk, just raise the price of the Clip a dollar.  (But Rockbox bloated?  Maybe in features …)

And sorry, but I placed this thread here on purpose:  to note the great benifit, again, of the microSD card slot in the small Clip+, when something as nice as the iPod touch doesn’t have a slot.  Hey, folks, remember the topic of this thread?   :wink: