GLOBAL Warming is a hoax and a lie. Peaple have no proof of it. its just another way china trys to get money for there expensive dams and building.
Actually China has been holding out against these “accordss” because they know that these will do what the’ve done elsewhere: destroy their industry and put them in the bickering that’s been the order of the day for the last 22 years. At best they’ve given it lip service that is thin enough to be seen as lip service
As to “hoax” and “lie”, To be either, an action has to be deliberate. To be deliberate the actor has to have a certain level of mentality; enough to know what they are doing and that it is at odds with the real world. These individuals seem to be trained such that they lack the mentality and live in a “bubble” such that their closest contact with the real world is what their servants tell them and they usually choose servants who are dumb or brainwashed into believing the same things they do. That has been the way of “intellectual elites” since the Middle Ages; starting out fresh and vibrant then through mental and intellectual imbreeding, become moreibund and often being killed off in societal spasms, just as their predecessors were killed off.
It is not called GLOBAL WARMING anymore. They changed the term to CLIMATE CHANGE.
They got tired of people living in places like Minnesota saying, every time the temp dropped and they got a foot of snow, that “global warming is a lie”. Global Warming i.e. climate change does not mean Ohio is going to have weather like Florida any time soon. Many places will get warmer but others will get COLDER.
Climate change is real. I don’t think anyone denies that anymore.
The debate raging now is whether humans are causing it or whether it is just a natural thing that we couldn’t change if we wanted to.
My opinion: who cars what the cause is. Burning less fossil fuel, using wind and solar power… why is anyone opposed to that? Why are there not 100’s of wind farms across this great nation of ours? Why is it still not affordable, 30 years after solar panels were invented, for me to put some on my house?
Boggles my mind… yea… let’s just keep using that FINITE resource called FOSSIL FUEL and not worry about it. Who does that make any sense to? Have you seen LA on a smoggy day? That is acceptable to… anyone? To BREATHE that crap? Whether or not it effects climate is not even the point. It can’t be healthy to breathe LA air on a smoggy day.
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The changed it to “climate change” because the jig was up and now with “Climate Gate” any pretnese at even knowing what is real is down the nommy pipe. since among other things the data is lost no replication studies, an integral part of the scientific process, can be done and the attacks on skeptics have become common knowdege as well as the fact that the Climate Unit in Eas Anglia has been ducking the UK equivalent of a Freedom of Information Act request for over a year. The new theory about the hacking into the Climate Unit’s email was that it was done by the Russians who were P.O’ed that their data, which contradicted the hypothesis, was totally trashed. The last nail in the coffin for those who know anything came when it became common knowledge that the president of the Czech Republic said that “Environmentalism is the new home of the unemployed Marxists”. I think the Czechs ought to know Marxists when they see theml as do the Poles, Hungarians and Slovaks. I, for one, do not argue with those who have “been there, done that”
The Goebbels Warmingists spent 15 years attackign science and saying "We can’t wait for the science to ‘catch up’, the situation is so dire that we must act immediately " and always came up with schemes the common denominator of which was more government power and higher taxes. Anyone with an IQ bigger than their shoe size and more experience with grownups than a toddler knows fearmongery when it slaps them in the face with a cold fish. The mask started to fall whlen the climate of Mars was tracking with that of Earth some 14 years ago. then about 1999 skeptics were aware that there was no more warming
I think they changed it to “climate change” when peopke in Las Vagas complaind about 8" of snow and New Orleans got a dose of it both about 3 years ago “Climate change” could mean anything. Anyone with any experience in the psychology of propaganda could smell this pile from a neighboring farm. I have a Master’s Degree in Psychology, a minor in History and a strong background in Histoyr and Philosphy of Science, and Sociology. This is becoming a classic case of “Newspeak ”, “anti-Galileanism” and “Lysenkoiism”. To be fair, you could not tell if this is deliberate dishonesty or incompetence on an intergalactic scale because it resembles the classic studies of the “flying saucer cults” and the “Tulip Mania”.
The argument is settled, like about 2-1/2’ settled in Washington DC. Several inches settled in Georgia , Alabama and Texas, all unprecedentied since record-keeping began in 1877
Beyond that, I could tell you why it isn’t true: Four words “Carbon Cycle” and “pond scum”. Heigh thee hence to a colloege biology book.
Why are people opposed to the massive boondoggles of wind and solar power on a massive scale? well the key word is “boondoggle”, this Florida swampland has been being peddled for the last 35 years and all I’ve seen were broken windmills and projected energy costs of about 3 times what it does now. The wind and sunbeams may be "free’ but the devices to convert it to useful energy are not and some of them are so exotic that they make the “$600 toilet seat” look like a thrift store bargain.
If the LA smog is so bad. and I’ve heard about it for 55 years, why has the city GROWN so much? and why did you say “who cares what the cause is” (anyone who wants to do an HONEST evaluation of your statements and wonders why you’re pulling the rug out from under them cares and doesn’t like being snookered) change ths subject in the last line if you were being honest or competent?
Climate change is real. I don’t think anyone denies that anymore.
I guess you’ve never listened to Rush Limbaugh then. The facts state (according to him) that the average global temperture has not increased even .10 of a degree in the past 10 years. The liberals are just making this ‘climate change’ thing up in order to further their ‘socialist’ agenda.
Have you seen LA on a smoggy day? That is acceptable to… anyone? To BREATHE that crap? Whether or not it effects climate is not even the point. It can’t be healthy to breathe LA air on a smoggy day.
True enough, but it is a whole lot better now than it was 30 years ago. Still, I live in the San Franciso Bay area further north and really hate the fact that I can see what I am breathing on calm days in the summer. We have “Spare The Air” days here where it’s recommended that you don’t don’t any physical activity outdoors if you can help it, and to not drive your car or mow your lawn if not necessary.
DISCLAIMER: I am not stating I agree with Mr. Limbaugh or any of his conservative cronies. I just find it hilarious that some think that this is a political issue, and not a physical one. At some point, both sides have to stop blaming the other and just deal with the problem. Pointing fingers is simply a waste of time when the damage is already done. Let’s concentrate our efforts on the solution, not what (or who) started it.
So… that proves LA isn’t smoggy? Because people move there? I doubt many people choose NOT to go to LA because of air quality. And yes it has improved but there are still some **bleep** smoggy days. Days where I couldn’t see the Hollywood sign 5 miles outside my office window. (I don’t live in LA anymore… I didn’t leave because it was smoggy…).
[Quote] and why did you say “who cares what the cause is” (anyone who wants to do an HONEST evaluation of your statements and wonders why you’re pulling the rug out from under them cares and doesn’t like being snookered) change ths subject in the last line if you were being honest or competent?
Because I don’t care what’s causing “Climate Change”. If more people focused on bringing down the costs of “boondoggle” energy instead of spending millions trying to find out what the cause of a warmer Earth is maybe it would be affordable now.
I would also argue that prices HAVE come down substantially and will only continue to do so. Why SHOULDN’T we move to these more efficient means of powering the grid? My god, you can buy a wind turbine on Amazon.com now.
Yea, it’s not a gazzillion watts but it shows it is becoming affordable.
Or $9000 for home solar panels: http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&productId=100677615&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=100677615&cm_mmc=shopping-_-googlebase-_-D27X-_-100677615
Maybe Obama will let me claim that as a tax credit?
In my opinion we should continue developing these alternative energies regardless if the planet is warming or not. That is the ONLY point I was trying to make.
And no… can’t say I’ve ever listened to Rush.
Your right it’s a hoax by al gore to keep our oil supply high so it doesn’t “deplete”
Hey, Al Gore has a $9 million dollar mansion from this… so it can’t be all that bad…
Don’t worry, Al probably planted a lot of trees to off-set the house…or something like that…
Ah, how about some carbon credits then? They’re selling hot air_,_ and Al Gore stands to make a hefty profit, that is, unless people take a few minutes to connect the dots. Um, look at this. And note well where it is, Chicago: many folks you may know in politics are surfacing from there (or was it Nairobi?).
Food for thought.
If science hadn’t been relegated to tabloids as it has, “cap and trade” would get the laughter it deserves.
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