Creating a Playlist Without Synching

Direct playlist integration is only possible in MTP mode, as you described (right-click, start list, drag titles to the list).  If you would like to do this in MSC mode, the playlist must be in m3u format.

Wazzat?  Look up the Sanse Playlister here on the forum.  Yes, it’s misspelled “Sanse”.  With this utility, you can build playlists easily. I just searched for related posts…this application might not work well with your Fuze, I think it is for the v1 e200.  You could I use Winamp or Media Monkey- both programs have a playlist utility built in, and I believe they can generate .m3u format lists.

I just walked in the door, and haven’t had my evening coffee yet.  Who recalls the other recent playlist utility here on the forum?

Bob  :smileyvery-happy:

Message Edited by neutron_bob on 01-14-2010 06:57 PM

neutron_bob wrote:

Direct playlist integration is only possible in MTP mode, as you described (right-click, start list, drag titles to the list).  If you would like to do this in MSC mode, the playlist must be in m3u format.

 

Wazzat?  Look up the Sanse Playlister here on the forum.  Yes, it’s misspelled “Sanse”.  With this utility, you can build playlists easily. I just searched for related posts…this application might not work well with your Fuze, I think it is for the v1 e200.  You could I use Winamp or Media Monkey- both programs have a playlist utility built in, and I believe they can generate .m3u format lists.

 

I just walked in the door, and haven’t had my evening coffee yet.  Who recalls the other recent playlist utility here on the forum?

 

Bob  :smileyvery-happy:

Message Edited by neutron_bob on 01-14-2010 06:57 PM

Wasn’t it called YAPL ?

D’Oh!

YAPL was the name, here’s a link from the search results.  This references YAPL 0.3.  I see a post later that he’s produced a YAPL 0.4 as well, with bug fixes, here.

Bob  :smileyvery-happy:

Message Edited by neutron_bob on 01-14-2010 07:14 PM

.pla playlist files work just fine on the Fuze and allow access to internal and external memory. There’s really no reason to use M3U files just because you are in MSC mode.

Indeed, .pla format lists are better, especially since one isn’t bogged down with relative path issues.  M3U format lists, on close inspection, are a virtual Rubik’s Cube.

I prefer .pla, but then again I’m spoiled, I guess.  If available in your utility, see if pla format is available; many utilities have this option.

Bob  :stuck_out_tongue:

Yea… I am spoiled too. Every other device I have ever had allowed you to create playlists on the device. As many as you want.

While listening to music.

:wink:

Sorry… my tolerance for this huge inadequacy of the Fuze has come to an end. That is such a basic feature. Feels like Fisher Price made the Fuze. Get with the program Sansa and give us real playlisting already.

Peregrine wrote:

Yea… I am spoiled too. Every other device I have ever had allowed you to create playlists on the device. As many as you want.

While listening to music.

 

:wink:

 

Sorry… my tolerance for this huge inadequacy of the Fuze has come to an end. That is such a basic feature. Feels like Fisher Price made the Fuze. Get with the program Sansa and give us real playlisting already.

 

 

I still don’t need no steenking playlists

:smileyvery-happy: 

Bet my paycheck versus yours if it was implemented you would use at least a few of the features of OTF Playlisting (like INSERT or APPEND or REMOVE).

You would Marvin. Don’t fight it, man. Give in.

There is a reason every other player on Earth supports OTF playlisting. (or at least 90% of them).

Message Edited by TomJensen on 05-03-2010 06:40 PM

I made the mistake of purchasing a 8gb fuze and added a 16gb Micro SD card.  This player is horrible.  “Refreshing your media” takes a little more then an hour, and everytime i charge it it refreshes.   to normal people playlist are impossible, unless you want to run homemade scripts,   This player sucks!  I want to find a player that has the following features, anyone have any ideas.

-Easy playlist creation, from both the PC and on the unit

-Gapless playback

-Pitching

-does not refresh everytime i charge it

-some kind of additional memory 

-not made by sandisk or apple

-money no object

RickJF wrote:

I made the mistake of purchasing a 8gb fuze and added a 16gb Micro SD card.  This player is horrible.  “Refreshing your media” takes a little more then an hour, and everytime i charge it it refreshes.   to normal people playlist are impossible, unless you want to run homemade scripts,   This player sucks!  I want to find a player that has the following features, anyone have any ideas.

 

-Easy playlist creation, from both the PC and on the unit

-Gapless playback

-Pitching

-does not refresh everytime i charge it

-some kind of additional memory 

-not made by sandisk or apple

-money no object

Ouch! The database refresh should only take a few minutes at most. If yours is taking an hour or more, it means you have some issue with the ID3 tags the player reads during the refresh cycle, or corupted files. Once you take care of some house-cleaning duties, the Fuze is a geat little player.

You don’t need to use any homemade scripts in order to create usable playlist on it, either. I don’t.

You might check out Cowon players is money really is no object.

I went through all 23 gb of mp3 files on the player and made sure all tags were Id3v2  and deleted any id3v1,  this problem remains.   Why can’t this thing do its refreshing while charging?   This player is complete crap,  i just bought it a month ago along with a 16gb sd card and i will mail this piece of crap to the first person that sends me an email indicating they want it, gets it free.   rflaherty@chartermi.net

The firmware engineers at sansa must really be overworked to produce somthing this bad,  too much thought went into this bloated firmware that does nothing but cause aggervation for the user.  why does this player need to read every id3 tag of every file before allowing you to do anything.  it is possible to do this quietly in the background while leaving the player usable.   besides playlists being impossible to make, every time i try to create one and then test it out i have to wait an hour to refresh to find out if it worked or not.   i spent too much time already on this pile of crap. 

Message Edited by RickJF on 02-04-2010 04:46 PM

RickJF wrote:

I went through all 23 gb of mp3 files on the player and made sure all tags were Id3v2  and deleted any id3v1,  this problem remains.   Why can’t this thing do its refreshing while charging?   This player is complete crap,  i just bought it a month ago along with a 16gb sd card and i will mail this piece of crap to the first person that sends me an email indicating they want it, gets it free.   rflaherty@chartermi.net

 

The firmware engineers at sansa must really be overworked to produce somthing this bad,  too much thought went into this bloated firmware that does nothing but cause aggervation for the user.  why does this player need to read every id3 tag of every file before allowing you to do anything.  it is possible to do this quietly in the background while leaving the player usable.   besides playlists being impossible to make, every time i try to create one and then test it out i have to wait an hour to refresh to find out if it worked or not.   i spent too much time already on this pile of crap. 

Message Edited by RickJF on 02-04-2010 04:46 PM

Don’t sugar-coat it . . . tell us what you really think. :smileyvery-happy:

Seriously, did you set the tag format as ID3v2.3 ISO 8859-1 with a good tag-editing program like MP3Tag? That’s the specific ID3 tag format that insures smooth operation on the Sansa line of players.

PM me and I’ll give you my address to send it to. I’ll gladly pay for shipping. :wink:

My instructions were to email me, and the first person to send me their mailing address would get it.  and thats what happened.  some unlucky soul is getting an 8 gb version 1 fuze with a 16gb micro sd card  2 usb charge cables and 2 Griffen docks.    its in the mail

RickJF,

You’ve given up a great player.  With all its foibles, it’s still one of the simplest and cleanest players on the market.  And it sounds great. You’re asking it to do something it was not touted nor designed to do (creating playlists on the fly).  Doing it on the computer is a simple matter.  You’ll find no other player at this price range with this sound quality.  I wish I was the first one to send you the email (unless this was a phantom offer).

ggin1

Message Edited by ggin1 on 02-08-2010 07:00 PM

@rickjf wrote:

I made the mistake of purchasing a 8gb fuze and added a 16gb Micro SD card.  This player is horrible.  “Refreshing your media” takes a little more then an hour, and everytime i charge it it refreshes.   to normal people playlist are impossible, unless you want to run homemade scripts,   This player sucks!  I want to find a player that has the following features, anyone have any ideas.

 

-Easy playlist creation, from both the PC and on the unit

-Gapless playback

-Pitching

-does not refresh everytime i charge it

-some kind of additional memory 

-not made by sandisk or apple

-money no object

Sounds exactly like you want Rockbox.  If you happen to have a V1 Fuze you can install Roxbox and get all those features and a thousand more.  If you have a more recent V2 Fuze then you’re out of luck.  I made the switch a couple months ago and can’t imagine going back.

Sorry for the delay, I just got back to this topic.  I saw the notifications in my email box but never came back to the site to check.  It’s not something that’s terribly imporant to me.  I can use the player just fine without it.

I’m just baffled as to why this is such a difficult and cumbersome task.  Something that should take me 1 minute to do via drag and drop now involves creating list files and typing in song names?  It would take me 3 hours to do my Johnny Cash stuff alone.  He’s a geat example of the problem.  I’d like to sit and listen to all of my Cash songs without having to touch the player, the trouble is he’s done so much work with others that the songs are tagged as “Johnny Cash with June Carter Cash”, “Johnny Cash with U2”, etc. etc.  I want to put all those under one item.  Or create a playlist called “Workout Songs” and include a bunch of different styles and genres.  It shouldnt take me a half our or involve me downloading third party programs.

Doesn’t SanDisk know of this issue?  How hard can it be to issue a correction?  I hate to be a pain but there’s really no excuse or reason for this to be so hard.  

oblong wrote:

I’d like to sit and listen to all of my Cash songs without having to touch the player, the trouble is he’s done so much work with others that the songs are tagged as “Johnny Cash with June Carter Cash”, “Johnny Cash with U2”, etc. etc.  I want to put all those under one item.  Or create a playlist called “Workout Songs” and include a bunch of different styles and genres.  It shouldnt take me a half our or involve me downloading third party programs.

 

Nothing you really want ever comes easily. Didn’t your mother ever teach you that? :stuck_out_tongue:

There are numerous ways to create playlists, painlessly & easily but they all require some effort from you. Rather than whining, “It shouldn’t…” or “It should…” or “Why doesn’t it…” or “My 10 year old POS mp3 player did this…”, why don’t you look at the options (yes, it takes searching and reading), decide which method is best for you and then just do it. It would be less stress.

Focus on what you can do that’s positive, instead of dwelling on what you can’t that’s negative. :smiley:

Message Edited by Tapeworm on 05-16-2010 12:59 PM

The player just reads the tags that are in the files.

Every other mp3 player also reads the tags that are in the files.

If the tag says “Johnny Cash with U2” or “Johnny and June Carter Cash” or “Johnny Man in Black Cash” or “Johnny Get Rhythm Cash” then that’s what the unit is going to display and classify.  It’s not a Sansa problem. It’s a problem created by the humans who put in the tags.

If your ripping software is set up that way, it may even have made different folders for “Johnny Cash” and “Johnny Cash and the Tennessee Three.” Because it’s a stupid computer and it’s just reading the artist tags. It doesn’t know anything about music.

However, it is an easy problem to fix. 

Get mp3tag. Yes, it’s third party. It’s also free, small and stable. 

http://www.mp3tag.de/en/

When you install it it has an option to add itself to context menus. Allow that. After it installs, open it and go to Tools/Options/Tags/Mpeg and under Write choose ID3v2.3 ISO-8859-1. Those are the tags the Fuze likes best. Save that.  No more geekness necessary.

OK, now throw every Johnny Cash album into one big folder on your computer. (Leave them in their individual album folders.) Right-click on the giant Cash folder. mp3tag is among your options to open it. Use it. 

Wow, look at that–all your Johnny Cash songs!  Highlight them all. In the Artist field on the left half of the window, where it says <keep> because there are so many different Artist designations, either type in Johnny Cash or pick Johnny Cash from the drop down menu. Under File on the upper right, Save tags. 

It might take, oh, 30 seconds to a minute. 

 Now all your Johnny Cash songs say Johnny Cash.  Put them back on the Fuze. (You could also just use mp3tag on the ones on the Fuze, but the computer will work faster.) No playlist necessary. But it will be up to you to remember that “The Wanderer” was the song he did with U2. 

For Workout Songs, you could throw them all in a folder and use mp3tag to make the Genre “Workout Songs,” and then play them by genre.  Etc. Or you can use a playlisting program. 

Message Edited by Black-Rectangle on 05-14-2010 01:39 PM

You can also use Video4fuze.
Not only does it convert videos and pictures for your fuze, it also creates playlists. It’s lightweight, fast and easy of use.

I hope I’ve been of some help

Paul