Clip Zip

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The Clip Zip comes packaged with the same earbuds as the Clip+, the round little guys with foam covers.  My wife loves 'em, but I prefer in-ear types personally.

The FM radio is very good on the new machine, using the RDS version of the FM chip.  The display generates less interference than the Clip+ OLED display, an improvement.

It’s really nice to see station and song information when listening to music.  The radio controls are identical to the Clip+.

Bob  :smileyvery-happy:

@neutron_bob wrote:

The Clip Zip comes packaged with the same earbuds as the Clip+, the round little guys with foam covers.  My wife loves 'em, but I prefer in-ear types personally.

 

Your wife obviously is not the reviewer at PCMag, who found the earbuds 1 of the 2 biggest cons of the Clip Zip.   :wink:

Why does JK98 care, I mean.

Is he going to buy 7 of them? One in each colour, and then compare them definitively to everything else forever and ever?

Guy’s an :robotmad:

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@ingenue wrote:

Why does JK98 care, I mean.

 

Is he going to buy 7 of them? One in each colour, and then compare them definitively to everything else forever and ever?

 

Guy’s an [deleted].

Not appropriate for this site, Ingenue . . . .  Not that JK98 needs any explaining, but he’s a technology/audio player/SanDisk player fan, interested in SanDisk’s players.  And believe it or not, but many people in fact do have multiple Clips, in different colors.   :wink:

And now, back to our regularly-scheduled programming.

@neutron_bob wrote:

The Clip Zip comes packaged with the same earbuds as the Clip+, the round little guys with foam covers.  My wife loves 'em, but I prefer in-ear types personally.

 

The FM radio is very good on the new machine, using the RDS version of the FM chip.  The display generates less interference than the Clip+ OLED display, an improvement.

 

It’s really nice to see station and song information when listening to music.  The radio controls are identical to the Clip+.

 

Bob  :smileyvery-happy:

I use the packaged buds for bed I dont like the IEMs pushing against my ear and a pillow. 

As for RDS there are some “Quirks” with the technology. Its all based on a code of some type and if the code generated by a specific station starts a certain way then the call letters of the station are wrong. (I dont fully understand this but one of the engineers here at the radio station where I work tried to explain it)

 Short example In Toledo 104.7 is WIOT but on any RDS system it comes up KEHB. Just a bit of warning. 

@conversionbox wrote:

 

As for RDS there are some “Quirks” with the technology. Its all based on a code of some type and if the code generated by a specific station starts a certain way then the call letters of the station are wrong. (I dont fully understand this but one of the engineers here at the radio station where I work tried to explain it)

 Short example In Toledo 104.7 is WIOT but on any RDS system it comes up KEHB. Just a bit of warning. 

I’ve noticed some Song Titles are nowhere near what they’re supposed to be either, but that I’m sure is up to the individual station inputting the correct data. Sort of like ID3 tags.

@tapeworm wrote:


@conversionbox wrote:

 

As for RDS there are some “Quirks” with the technology. 

 Short example In Toledo 104.7 is WIOT but on any RDS system it comes up KEHB. Just a bit of warning. 


I’ve noticed some Song Titles are nowhere near what they’re supposed to be either, but that I’m sure is up to the individual station inputting the correct data. Sort of like ID3 tags.

It is part that and part of the way the audio is packaged for local markets (I believe)

“Why does JK98 care, I mean.”

 i have many  pairs of lower quality earphones and headphones that came with audio players I bought over the years… When they are very bad, I sometimes just throw them in the trash. When they aren’t that bad, I save them, but rarely if ever use them. I would rather either pay less for the item and not get the earphones(even if it is just $1 or $2  less) or else get a case(a low cost one like a skin) included with the player.

Hehe!  The problem goes a little deeper than that on my end…

As opposed to the debacle we endured with terrestrial TV broadcasting in the United States, where the entire VHF / UHF bands were dropped from analog (NTSC) broadcast, requiring a digital adaptor box (receiver), commercial radio broadcasting chose a better tack, allowing analog and digital signals to peacefully coexist.

For listeners that have purchased the new digital radios, this is marketed as HD Radio.  With a car stereo, the analog signal is selected first; if a digital carrier is present, the wee HD logo appears, and the radio switches to the clean digital signal.

So what does this have to do with RDS?  Read on…

RDS allows a dual output, a solo station identifier, and a longer “ticker” or scrolling text.  Local broadcasters have the task of inserting the requisite data during broadcast.  If the console, and music library are properly configured, the ID3 type tag information can be sent to the transmitter automatically.  If the broadcaster is in the mood for running a promotional message, this can be substituted or inserted between song information blocks.  Heck, some savvy broadcasters even intersperse blerbs that relate to the currently airing advertising, which should make sponsors ever so happy.

The problem is that often, the guys in the booth forget that the ticker hasn’t been reset when song play resumes.  This is one of the quirky things we will see.

Back to the latest and greatest, HD radio.  Remember that we’re dealing with a dual analog / digital signal?  I’ve had folks complain that their radios will play a few seconds of music, then the HD icon lights, and then complete silence.  Interesting.  I went to have a closer look this morning, and sure enough, the RDS info clears, and refreshes as the unit “goes digital”.  Silence.

Then the new data popped up on the display:

www.broadcast.harris.com  stared back at me.  I just about fell over laughing.  Harris, to those who might not know, makes the latest digital transmitters, big guys, very sophisticated, and far more efficient then the RCA transmitters we’ve used for decades, since the airwaves first crackled to life with KDKA radio and the first AM broadcasts.

The brand-new transmitter has not been programmed yet, the URL of the manufacturer is still loaded in the machine!  I will have to call the local FM station and reach the engineer, as they’re broadcasting a clean digital carrier with no audio on it.  Somebody needs to push the volume sliders up, or make a pair of connections at the patch bay.  Awesome.

Bob  :smileyvery-happy:

'Not appropriate for this site, Ingenue . . . . Not that JK98 needs any explaining, but he’s a technology/audio player/SanDisk player fan, interested in SanDisk’s players. And believe it or not, but many people in fact do have multiple Clips, in different colors. " Not appropriate for this site, Ingenue . . . . Not that JK98 needs any explaining, but he’s a technology/audio player/SanDisk player fan, interested in SanDisk’s players."

Miikerman understands. For the past several years I have bought Sandisk players. They are the best available for my needs, but still nowhere near where I want them to be in terms of functionality. The Clip Zip is a very nice player, however imo it isn’t significantly better than the excellent Clip+.Since the Clip+ came out, I have been waiting for something  better. While the Clip Zip is nice, it just isn’t that much nicer than the Clip+. Not yet anyway. If firmware development goes further with the Clip Zip and they give us good variable speed playback with automatic pitch correction and perhaps sound enhancements to make low quality voice recording more comprehensible, then I would rush to buy one. Some will tell me some of these are available with Rockbox. I’m leery of Rockbox.

@jk98 wrote:

If firmware development goes further with the Clip Zip and they give us good variable speed playback with automatic pitch correction and perhaps sound enhancements to make low quality voice recording more comprehensible, then I would rush to buy one. Some will tell me some of these are available with Rockbox. I’m leery of Rockbox.

 

 

I’ve been running it on my one remaining Clip+ now for over a year, and it still runs like a champ. Once you take a little time to learn what it can do and how to do it, you’re hooked. My Clip+ running Rockbox is now almost  two years old…I think it was originally purchased in October the year it was released…yet in RB mode, the old battery will still play longer than the new Clip Zip, at least with MP3. (I haven’t done a FLAC battery life test on the CZ yet)

I am afraid my Slotradio cards won’t play anymore if I put rockbox on a Clip+. Does Rockbox have an autoresume feature for podcasts similar to the original firmware? Does the variable speed playback on Rockbox have automatic pitch correction, or must I adjust the pitch separately every time I change the play speed?

@jk98 wrote:

I am afraid my Slotradio cards won’t play anymore if I put rockbox on a Clip+. Does Rockbox have an autoresume feature for podcasts similar to the original firmware? Does the variable speed playback on Rockbox have automatic pitch correction, or must I adjust the pitch separately every time I change the play speed?

Well as far as Slotradio cards, you do have multiple players, after all. As to your other questions, I’ll have to refer you to either Saratoga or the Rockbox manual.

When I have played podcasts on RB’d players, I’ve never changed the playback speed or pitch, I just listen to them the way they come. The relevant sections for that I believe are timestretch and pitch menu. Autoresume, I’m not sure…I always listen straight through without switching to something else.

I have a Clip+, had it for about a year now, I never bothered with Rockbox.

So I’m thinking a Clip Zip might be a good replacement when it finally dies.

I never bothered with slotradio either although I have my own collection of microsd cards that I’ve made up. I have a 4Gb card that is just soul music, motown, stuff like that.

Slotradio works on my rockboxed fuze so it should work on a rockboxed clip+.  But it’s better to find out from the RB devs just to be on the safe side.

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I have a Clip+, had it for about a year now, I never bothered with Rockbox.

So I’m thinking a Clip Zip might be a good replacement when it finally dies."

That was my point of this thread. The Clip Zip seems like a good replacement for the Clip+, but isn’t that much better than the Clip+  to inspire most who have working Clip+ players to rush out and buy one. i was hoping for something much better than the Clip+ such as a version of it with much longer battery life(it would only need to be slightly thicker).

Rockbox has fine autoresume (and bookmarking) features.

But always note:  Rockbox could eliminate DRM play capabilities on your player, permanently.  (I just wish this wasn’t so . . . .)  And, apparently, a small number of original Clip v2 players (I think I got that right) could be bricked by Rockbox (sigh!), given their manufacturing particularities. 

Thanks for the warning. The player I would have considered Rockboxing though was my Clip V2. :cry: I don’t want to risk my Clip+ or Fuze players.

I hate the bricking possibility!  But note:  it’s very slight (although there is that slight Clip v2 possibility, apparently, which I just read about).  But I agree with you–I’d only do it if I’m ok with something happening to the player, however slight the possibility.

Now, of course, if you have multiple players . . . .    :wink: