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Re: AA battery powered mp3 player?

"I don't really think people in the camera market are prioritizing what type of battery a particular camera runs on though, when they are planning which one to buy."

 

I disagree. If you look at Canon's digital cameras for example, they have some which uses AA batteries, then some similar but slightly smaller cameras that use a lithium ion battery. If people didn't care what battery is used, then there would be little or no demand for the AA battery powered cameras. That is not the case though, as the AA powered Canon digital cameras are very popular. My conclusion from this is that there are a significant number of people who PREFER the use of AA batteries.

 

 

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Re: AA battery powered mp3 player?


JK98 wrote:

"I don't really think people in the camera market are prioritizing what type of battery a particular camera runs on though, when they are planning which one to buy."

 

I disagree. If you look at Canon's digital cameras for example, they have some which uses AA batteries, then some similar but slightly smaller cameras that use a lithium ion battery. If people didn't care what battery is used, then there would be little or no demand for the AA battery powered cameras. That is not the case though, as the AA powered Canon digital cameras are very popular. My conclusion from this is that there are a significant number of people who PREFER the use of AA batteries.

 

 


Are they at different price points? My Nikon point and shoot , running of AA's, was around $100, whereas my sisters Nikon D90, which was somewhere around $1,200, has a li-ion that she has to remove to plug in and re-charge. 

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Re: AA battery powered mp3 player?

They aren't that different for cameras with similar functionality. i tend to look mostly at the Canon digital  camera models, as they have the most diversersity. They also often seem to often offer better value than Nikon, although for those who already have Nikon lenses, choosing a Canon camera usually doesn't make sense(the lenses aren't compatible). While neither Canon or Nikon makes a digital SLR that uses AA batteries, Pentax does make some of them. Notice though that there are optional battery grips for Canon and Nikon SLRs that will allow the cameras to be powered by AA batteries.

 

Removing a battery to charge it is a positive factor, not a negative one. The heat generated when charging a battery adds extra wear to electronic circuits, and shortens their lifespan. I guess charging a battery internally is desired though if someone wants to design something that is disposable.

 

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Re: AA battery powered mp3 player?


JK98 wrote:

They aren't that different for cameras with similar functionality. i tend to look mostly at the Canon digital  camera models, as they have the most diversersity. They also often seem to often offer better value than Nikon, although for those who already have Nikon lenses, choosing a Canon camera usually doesn't make sense(the lenses aren't compatible). While neither Canon or Nikon makes a digital SLR that uses AA batteries, Pentax does make some of them. Notice though that there are optional battery grips for Canon and Nikon SLRs that will allow the cameras to be powered by AA batteries.

 

Removing a battery to charge it is a positive factor, not a negative one. The heat generated when charging a battery adds extra wear to electronic circuits, and shortens their lifespan. I guess charging a battery internally is desired though if someone wants to design something that is disposable.

 


I didn't mean to imply it was bad to have to remove the battery to charge it. It is indeed a good idea, not only because of the heat issue which you mentioned ( which I have seen on my AA and AAA while in the charger ) but it would give her the option to swap out on-the-go, if necessary. I know very little about cameras, to be honest.....I have a Nikon P&S because that's what was purchased for me a couple Christmases ago. I know that they and Canons are both well-regarded, but that's about it.

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Re: AA battery powered mp3 player?

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JK98 wrote:

"1) Consumers. Sadly, the ones that want to see more DAPs with replaceable batteries are a very small minority."

 

I don't believe that, and won't believe that until all new models of both digital cameras and cell phones  have a built in battery. 


Well, I haven't done any good statistics poll but the crowd has spoken - AA powered DAPs are virtually extinct and I think digital cameras are following this trend.

Maybe it's because of ignorance and maybe it's because people just don't care - it doesn't matter as the bottom line is the same.

Even in 2006, near the end of the AA era in DAPs when other companies' products were much superior in all aspects, people still bought 3 times more Apple products (remember the upset when all these original ipods were dying because of the battery?)  

http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.3542

 

If people were so interested in AA powered DAPs they would stop buying every new iPhone that pops up but it hasn't happened yet and it seems people don't care; in their mind, a year-old electronic device is already obsolete so why would they want to keep it when they can buy the latest-and-greatest? 

 

 


 The fact that there are many digital camera models being made that use AA batteries means that consumers do like using AA batteries.


 

The consumers may like it on some device but even that is changing.

AA is considered too bulky and it doesn't fit in with the trend of slim device with huge screens that slip-in-your-pocket.

 


Smaller isn't necessarily better if the controls and screen are too small. While allowing for a swappable battery takes up more space, if the battery is charged outside the player[...]


 

I agree 100% but I'm one of the choir... there are many infidels out there who wouldn't listen...

 

 


I disagree. AA or AAA isn't the only option for easily swappable batteries though. A lithium ion battery would also be okay if a standard sized, easily swappable, inexpensive one that is charged outside the player is used.


Again, total agreement. I would also mention that it's relatively easy to design a device that can operate on all kinds of battery chemistries (in fact, many flashlights do that) with the same for factor.

 

There are a few problems:

1. There should be an agreement on the form factor/voltage for this new standard - but with all the format wars/solid state memory wars etc. going on with each company trying to crush the others can you see a wall-to-wall agreement and effort to push this new standard? I can't.

 

2. This standard would make it harder for companies to design slimmer devices as they do now with molding the battery to fit the device they create rather than the opposite.

 

3. I already mentioned it in my previous post: companies want to sell more products. Duh. And right now, in the consumer electronics/handhelds industry, they can sell products without a replaceable battery and get away with it, so why wouldn't they continue? this way they can sell a new model every year instead of 

a zero-profit battery. Why sell less when you can sell more? standard, long life, rechargeable, replaceable battery is only gonna lower sales. This isn't the swiss watches industry: "We're proud that our products last a lifetime", this is consumer electronics: "Look, the new model has more colors! and it is sooooo shiny".

 


there is no reason that mp3 player makers can't also do this.


 

They certainly can, but they don't. And it won't change as long as it fits the industry and there's not enough demand, which bring me back to the starting point. We're the minority. The informed fringe.

 

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Re: AA battery powered mp3 player?

"Well, I haven't done any good statistics poll but the crowd has spoken - AA powered DAPs are virtually extinct and I think digital cameras are following this trend. Maybe it's because of ignorance and maybe it's because people just don't care -"

 

No, it is that there isn't one company that dominates  digital cameras or cell phones. Canon, Sony, and Nikon are big players in digital cameras, however there is also Konica, Panasonic, Pentax, Olympus, and others.

With mp3 players, since Apple has such large market share, they set the trend. Imo many people including myself want an mp3  with an easily swappable battery, however since high quality ones aren't available now, we reluctantly buy a player with a built in battery. Let's see which company will be first to make a high quality, large capacity, flash memory based player with a card slot and an easily swappable battery. It would be even nicer if it is built using a metal case, and it it has a 3 year warranty.

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Re: AA battery powered mp3 player?

How about an mp3 player that uses a popular cell phone battery? Some of those battery models retail on the net for only around $5 or so each, and are easy to find. They seem to be 700 mah or more and 3.7 v, or at least 30% more capacity than the battery in the Fuze. I want to be able to carry spare batteries, and swap the battery quickly when it is out of power.
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Re: AA battery powered mp3 player?

for those who wants and AA powered mp3 player we already had things like those that why the stop making those it was a waste of time and now its time to help the enviroment by using these batteries that last for up to 2 years
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Re: AA battery powered mp3 player?

"for those who wants and AA powered mp3 player we already had things like those that why the stop making those it was a waste of time and now its time to help the enviroment by using these batteries that last for up to 2 years "

 

There are AA nimh rechargeable batteries. AA does not mean alkaline. To help promote the use of rechargeables, a player could be bundled with a charger and two AA nimh batteries, as these are very inexpensive.

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Re: AA battery powered mp3 player?

Nobody makes AA power mp3 players