09-25-2008 12:52 PM - edited 12-11-2009 12:33 PM
I would love to see an mp3 player that is powered by a AA battery and has a full sized SDXC card slot. It would be even better if it navigates by a choice of folders or ID3 tags, and especially appreciated if it has AM as well as FM HD radio. Not everyone wants the smallest possible player, but most people do want a player that will fit comfortably in a typical shirt pocket.
Message Edited by JK98 on 12-11-2009 03:33 PM
09-27-2008 04:17 AM
I second that. Sleekness and the cool-factor mean little to me. Rechargeable NiMH AA batteries have a much higher capacity, they are cheap, replaceable and you can have a spare set lying around to use while the old ones are charging. I'm pretty sure there are others like us out there, so how about designing a chubby AA-battery player for us engineering types who prefer functionality to appearance ?
09-28-2008 11:26 PM - edited 12-11-2009 12:36 PM
If Sandisk thinks that a AA battery based player will be too large, then how about some new AAA battery based players with a micro SD card slot,navigation by folders, and a low powered monochrome display that is on all the time the player is on. It could be like the display on a digital watch, and have a backlight that is on only while a dedicated button is pressed.
Message Edited by JK98 on 12-11-2009 03:36 PM
09-29-2008 04:09 PM
I'm curious; why would you want a player that runs on AA or even AAA batteries instead of the Li-Ion or Li-Poly batteries they use now? What advantage would there be? The existing batteries last 15 - 35 hours as it is; I doubt whether an alkaline battery is going to surpass that.
The existing batteries are re-chargeable, and suffer no 'memory' cycle, so they can be re-charged w/o depleting the charge down to nil. The typical re-chargable Ni-Cads or something similar do suffer the 'memory' cycle and so one can lose quite a bit of power and operating time if they don't follow the correct charging procedure.
The existing batterries are ecologically-friendly. They will last for years. Hopefully, someone will come up with a way to re-cycle them. But if AA or AAA size batteries were used; yes, a few people would buy re-chargables but I'll bet the majority would not. That would only benefit and pad the pockets of the companies that make Duracell & Energizer and put a lot more of these things into the landfills so they can leach into our ground water and poison our food and our children.
I'm also interested in hearing your reasons behind wanting a full-size card slot instead of the Micro card slot they have now. Is there some sort of advantage to the larger card? With the capacities getting larger as we speak, I don't see the attraction of a physically larger card. And I may not be a genius, but I'm not "dumber than a bag of hammers" either. I can't find any full-size card with a larger capacity then 8Gb. And there are Micro cards with that.
Folders? Yeah, OK. The existing tag system doesn't bother me, but I understand how folders could benefit some users by the way they organize their music. But SanDisk has already said (numerous times) that it ain't gonna happen! Time to stop beatin' that dead horse!
AM radio? I'm with you on that one, in theory. I very seldom, if ever listen to the FM radio on my Sansa. My musical library is a helluva lot better, and there's no commercials. But I would listen to various 'talk' radio discussions, news, etc. on AM ir it were available. the problem is the AM antennae and size. The player would have to be much larger and heavier than it is now, and with the marketplace and the competition going smaller & lighter, I doubt that SanDisk is going to reverse course 180 degrees and buck the tide! I sure wouldn't if I were at the helm!
Don't get me wrong . . . I'm am not trying to insult you or your ideas. Obviously, you have logical reasons behind these thoughts, but I can't see some of them. Perhaps if you explain or elaborate?
Of course, then again . . . maybe I AM dumber than a bag of hammers!
09-30-2008 05:03 AM - edited 09-30-2008 05:06 AM
Hi. I know I'm not the OP but since I seconded some of his suggestions I'll try to answer some of your questions, namely the one concerning AA or AAA batteries.
The advantage of rechargeable NiMH batteries are as follows:
- much higher capacity. The Li-ion battery in my Fuze lasts 15-20 hours on a single charge, whereas one 2300mAh AA battery in my old i-River lasts over 40 hours, which is more than double the capacity.
- longer life and replaceability. NiMH batteries typically last longer and, much more importantly!!!, they can easily be replaced and are widely available. Li-ion batteries lose a significant proportion of their capacity each year (up to 20%) from the date of their manufacture. So what am I supposed to do with my pride and joy FUZE when the battery goes kaput or loses 50+% of its capacity in about 3 years?
The answer would probably be to buy a new one, but I don't want to do that. I'm happy with my player and I do not easily subscribe to the consumer mentality. The only reason I replaced my old i-River was because of the amount of its memory (256MB), which was a bit too low for many audiobooks. 8 GB is more than enough for audio and I'm not really interested in video so it's unlikely my appetites will soon increase.
As for buying rechargeable AA batteries, actually most people do buy them. It's an economically more viable solution than any alkaline battery, so people will unwittingly protect the environment as well.
This said, I am aware of the advantages of Li-ion batteries, and if only they were NOT proprietary and easily replaceable (like mobile phone batteries) I wouldn't worry so much. This way, when the battery in my FUZE dies on me, I'll have to pry it open and do all sorts of unsavoury things to it in order to either replace its battery or jerry-rig it so that it works on AA batteries and thus create a Frankenstein's monster out of my poor FUZE. Also, people who don't live in the developed world (like myself) have difficulty accessing some of the goods (like a sansa battery replacement kit) that you take for granted so that is why NiMH AA batteries have a strong advantage over Li-ion or Li-poly ones.
Edit: I'm not bothered about AM radio, namely the lack thereof and I also prefer using microSD cards.
Message Edited by vidra on 09-30-2008 02:06 PM
09-30-2008 08:29 AM
09-30-2008 08:55 AM
"I'm curious; why would you want a player that runs on AA or even AAA batteries instead of the Li-Ion or Li-Poly batteries they use now? What advantage would there be? The existing batteries last 15 - 35 hours as it is; I doubt whether an alkaline battery is going to surpass that."
The advantage is not having to worry about battery power remaining, or to connect the player to charge. One could carry some spare batteries and never run out of power. AA or AAA battery does not equal alkaline. There are high capacity nimh AA and AAA batteries. Most chargers charge up to 4 of these at a time. A player using a AA or AAA battery could be packaged with a charger and 2 or 4 rechargeable nimh batteries if manufacturers want to discourage use of alkalines.
"The typical re-chargable Ni-Cads "
Nicad is very old low capacity technology. Nimh AA or AAA batteries are far superior technology and hold much more power. There are now 2900 mah AA nimh batteries, and 1000 mah AAA ones.
"The existing batterries are ecologically-friendly."
Are they? Is throwing away a player with a worn out built in battery eco friendly?
"I'm also interested in hearing your reasons behind wanting a full-size card slot instead of the Micro card slot they have now"
Full sized SD cards come in capacities up to 32 gigs. They also fit in a PC SD card slot without an adapter.
"AM radio? I'm with you on that one, in theory. I very seldom, if ever listen to the FM radio on my Sansa. My musical library is a helluva lot better, and there's no commercials. But I would listen to various 'talk' radio discussions, news, etc. on AM ir it were available. the problem is the AM antennae and size. The player would have to be much larger and heavier than it is now, and with the marketplace and the competition going smaller & lighter, I doubt that SanDisk is going to reverse course 180 degrees and buck the tide! I sure wouldn't if I were at the helm!"
I didn't say for all models, just for one model. Some would prefer having AM radio even if the player is a bit larger. It doesn't have to be huge though, just a bit larger.
09-30-2008 09:49 AM
09-30-2008 10:24 AM
"True, but then that's one more thing you have to remember to carry with you; extra batteries. And how many times have you found yourself more than 12 - 15 continuous hours away from a computer or AC outlet to re-charge? "
it is easy enough to carry some spare batteries. With a player with a built in battery, if I deplete the power in the battery, I might be without use of the player for part of a day, but if I then forget to charge it when I get home, I might be without use of the player the next day as well. With rechargeable nimh batteries, most chargers will charge up to 4 at a time, and many chargers charge them in under an hour. Some charge them in just 15 minutes.
"Full sized SD cards come in capacities up to 32 gigs. This may or may not be an advantage if the current Sansa line of players do indeed have a problem with identifying and recognizing song counts over 4000. "
If there is indeed a 4000 song limit on the Fuze with the current firmware it is because they felt that few would exceed this with 16 gigs of storage. If a full sized SD slot was included instead, the limit would have been set higher.
09-30-2008 02:32 PM
- much higher capacity. The Li-ion battery in my Fuze lasts 15-20 hours on a single charge, whereas one 2300mAh AA battery in my old i-River lasts over 40 hours, which is more than double the capacity. This was on you old i-river. How can you know what the charge/play time would be on the Sansa?
- newer electronics is produced in smaller fabrication processes and uses less electricity/is more energy efficient. Relying on this logic and the fact that the task is the same - mp3 decoding (again I'm not interested in video) I gather it should last even longer.
- What are widely available are the Duracell & Energizer alkalines. You can buy them just about anywhere; grocery stores, 7-11's, & virtually any place battery-powered 'toys' are sold. Not always so with re-chargeables.
- Almost all the people I know who use battery powered devices use NiMH rechargeables (with the exception of devices that specifically state that you shouldn't use such batteries with them, namely blood pressure measuring devices)
- Granted, rechargeables are not as widely available as non-rechargeables, yet they are easily accessible. In the town where I live you would be hard-pressed to find two spaced further apart than a ten-minute walk and I don't even live in the capital.
Just to set the record straight, the Fuze uses a Lithium-Polymer battery, not a Lithium-Ion.
I stand corrected.
Next issue (very long section so I didn't copy/paste) regarding capacity.
I store all my mp3s on my hard drives and on DVDs so I don't need to keep them in my mp3 player, and yes, I'd like to keep my FUZE for as long as it's in working order.
As for buying rechargeable AA batteries, actually most people do buy them. I disagree. If that were the case, we'd be seeing that damm rabbit with the drum with an AC outlet in his back on the TV commercials. No, it's just too 'convenient' and cheaper (short, not long term) to pick up a package of the disposables.
Maybe this is culture specific. Also, the AA player would probably appeal to more economy-minded people who would go for the rechargeables (and then again maybe not). Anyway, I'm all for choice.
Proprietary is the way of the world now
Fine, let them make a little slide-off panel at the back of the player and make their batteries as widely available as those of leading mobile manufacturers (there's a mobile shop on every corner, where I live) and I'll stop complaining - I promise.
I think that people who don't live in the 'developed world' have a lot more things to worry about than where they're going to find a replacement battery for their mp3 player. Most likely have never even heard of such a device. Any place that is 'developed' enough to where NiMH batteries are readily available will also have access to Li-Ion or Li-Poly ones if they're needed.
Depends on your definition of 'developed'. I personally live in Serbia, which, while it is no Somalia, is far less developed than Western Europe, the US, Japan, etc and while you can definitely buy generic Li-Ion and Li-Poly batteries, as well as those produced by leading cell-phone producers, you'd have a truly hard time finding a Sandisk Sansa battery. Also, it's nigh-on impossible to get technical goods mailed to my country since even if I find an e-tailer that ships to Serbia, the goods are almost certain to be stolen either by customs or mail officials and there isn't a damned thing I can do about it.
And how many times have you found yourself more than 12 - 15 continuous hours away from a computer or AC outlet to re-charge?
Each time I go on holiday to Montenegro, although admittedly this does not happen very often.