Sansa® Fuze™+

[ufotds]

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heavy wrote:

Using something called "folder view" and then expecting the songs to be sorted by tags is ridiculous.

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absolutely agree. There is alot wrong with this firmware, but you have to try to have your head present when you are writing complaints...

[Mothy]

heavy/newbie

You've both missed the point.

Folder View should be a mechanism for allowing you to browse the structure of your music (it doesn't work for audiobooks or podcasts).

Whether tagging or folders or whatever are used for browsing, it's all down to how the firmware builds the .idx and .dat files. All it is a is a database of your music with a bunch of indexes allowing you navigate in a particular way.

Having some kind of stucture and hierachy allows you to group your music the way you like.(i'd also like to group my podcasts similarly into Crime,Sci-fi,Drama etc - which is hard when you have to rely on them all being tagged as podcasts).

Once you've navigated through the folders (not files) until you've found the tracks you want then there are numerous ways yo could present them, Alphabetic, Track No,Date, Size etc. (in just the same way that when you navigate through a folder structure in Windows Explorer you have a choice of how it's presented).

Flexibility should have been built in allowing you to select (as you can in Explorer) how the individual files are presented once you get down to the folder level. (honestly it's not that difficult, all you have to do is is use a different part of the media information when you're processing an individual track and building the key).

Personally I wouldn't have added it to Music, but would have added it alongside Music,Video,Books etc as a global option as to how to browse all media on the device. Then I could have browsed my Videos so I can decide whether I want to watch a cartoon or sci-fi instead of having to browse by file name. Ditto podcasts etc.

p.s. further investigation shows that the files/tracks are not sorted into filename order but in fact are sorted into title sequence i.e the sequence of the title tags!!!!!

[lostson]

Will next FW fix time bug?  I have fuze+ 8gb btw. How long we have to wait for it?

[-sandro-]

this product should be renamed to "Sansa shuffleplayblackonly Fuze  - - -"

Because for me it's the only way to prevent myself from smashing it.

It's the only player in 2011 that:

- takes at least 5h to recharge
- IMPOSSIBLE to scroll trough albums/songs/artists, yes IMPOSSIBLE (unless you have 2 albums). so forget choosing the song to listen to, either you put it in shuffle mode or you can spend 10 minutes to search for each specific song

- while recharging doesn't show the status!

- cant even keep the time

- takes 1 minute to load for reasons we will never know

I just cannot believe that the developers can't fix those things or that they actually released it like it was in the first place. It sucks now, imagine how it was with the very first firmware! there must be someone above them driving the programmers to stupidity.

Was I too harsh? Think twice

[lostson]

About "time bug" see here: http://forums.sandisk.com/t5/Fuze/Fuze-clock-works-only-if-device-is-switched-on/m-p/241790#M3449

[silverdisk]

after update, none of my music was showing up under folder view. I tried inserting and removing a micro SD, no dice. In order to get the player to recognize my music I had to remove and re-add all of it. I can see it fine now, folder browsing works fine. I like the looping menus. Not essentially, but a welcome addition. I would like true folder browsing for my podcasts and audiobooks. Not a big deal, though, as the current view works fine. I mostly use my player for podcasts, however, and am not a heavy music listener (I have maybe 6 albums on there.) My biggest complaint (that's left, the locking was the one I hated, but new locking is great) is that I have to convert videos to play on the Fuze+. This makes video blogs/podcasts more trouble than they're worth. I am using Video4fuze, on Ubuntu, for conversion, and it takes forever. I don't expect this to be fixed, though, and may be something beyond the scope of firmware. I bought this player specifically because I wanted to be able to watch video podcasts with no hassle, and would have got a less expensive one (like the clip+) had I known it would be such a pain to watch them. I cab tell you this - if a port of Rockbox ever makes it to the Fuze+, I will likely ditch the factory firmware. That's a big if, of course.

[silverdisk]

One other problem When I use the voice recorder, it cuts out really badly while driving. Works fine when the engine is running, car stopped, but is unusable when in motion. I have no idea what the problem is there, or how to fix it. But I prefer the sound quality of the Fuze+ to my cell, and wish it was more usable. While I'm wishing, a way to use an external mike/headset to record would be awesome. Any advice from anyone? Besides "Buy a voice recorder" ?

[xpmule]

I figured the updates would have dried up looong ago !

Large respect to the Sansa Staff for keeping the updates coming

First off s usual i did a manual update and then i thought this would be a good time to format the Fuze+

If you've seen the hidden files on the device you can see there is a lot of indexing cache activity..

So after that a put about 600 songs on all ofcourse properly tag'd

and wow start up was quicker and the device seems a bit more responsive.

I do have the clock bug i think though, it doesn't stay set even if i restore settings

But its not a big deal i guess..

Looping menus are working great, i figured it would work better and i think it does.

Someone mentioned a bug with that where the cover art was wrong on looping and i did NOT have that issue

Good Job and Thank You

[neurel]

I copied over a lot of mp3 files in their folders and about 1/4 of the folders don't show up on the folder viewer at all. I can not figure out why or how to make them show.

This firmware is defective.

[heavy]

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Mothy wrote:

heavy/newbie

You've both missed the point.

Folder View should be a mechanism for allowing you to browse the structure of your music (it doesn't work for audiobooks or podcasts).

Whether tagging or folders or whatever are used for browsing, it's all down to how the firmware builds the .idx and .dat files. All it is a is a database of your music with a bunch of indexes allowing you navigate in a particular way.

Having some kind of stucture and hierachy allows you to group your music the way you like.(i'd also like to group my podcasts similarly into Crime,Sci-fi,Drama etc - which is hard when you have to rely on them all being tagged as podcasts).

Once you've navigated through the folders (not files) until you've found the tracks you want then there are numerous ways yo could present them, Alphabetic, Track No,Date, Size etc. (in just the same way that when you navigate through a folder structure in Windows Explorer you have a choice of how it's presented).

Flexibility should have been built in allowing you to select (as you can in Explorer) how the individual files are presented once you get down to the folder level. (honestly it's not that difficult, all you have to do is is use a different part of the media information when you're processing an individual track and building the key).

Personally I wouldn't have added it to Music, but would have added it alongside Music,Video,Books etc as a global option as to how to browse all media on the device. Then I could have browsed my Videos so I can decide whether I want to watch a cartoon or sci-fi instead of having to browse by file name. Ditto podcasts etc.

p.s. further investigation shows that the files/tracks are not sorted into filename order but in fact are sorted into title sequence i.e the sequence of the title tags!!!!!

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You could have a very high degree of flexibility by manipulating your ID3 tags.  Having a Windows Explorer-like environment in a portable player seems a bit non-user-friendly.