Sansa Fuze+ Firmware 02.38.06

i meant the database files not the partition eh but i think the concept is the same…

basicly just like a hard drive flag’s things for deletion but they still exist until actualy overwritten

so i’m guessing the index’s for Fuze+ content are sorta like an MFT record / HDD type of system ?

I dont think any method does a very good job at restoring the device to factory defaults

You’d think if you selected reformat it would be reformatted like on a hard drive but…

I thought it was interesting for a privacy point of view

you could then see what people are loading on their player no matter what they do lol

EDIT:

I wanted to make another comment regarding the playlists…

I posted info i found nothing more. I don’t use playlists and have NOT tested any playlist formats,

so i don’t really know what will or won’t work

@xpmule wrote:

i meant the database files not the partition eh but i think the concept is the same…

 

basicly just like a hard drive flag’s things for deletion but they still exist until actualy overwritten

 

so i’m guessing the index’s for Fuze+ content are sorta like an MFT record

In MTP mode you don’t have access to the underlying file system, so its not really like file table. Instead you’re just asking the software for a list of the files it thinks it has. Until it goes through and rescans its files, the results you get might be out of date. I suspect just copying a few files in MSC mode and then rebooting into MTP mode will be enough to force a rescan, although I’m not sure how smart the sandisk software is about it. Its possible it also needs to be synced to software like WMP first too.

@xpmule wrote:

You’d think if you selected reformat it would be reformatted like on a hard drive but…

Reformatting a partition does exactly what you would expect: erase that partition. It doesn’t reset all the info on the drive though because there is more then 1 partition, and not all of them are exposed in MTP or MSC mode. I think the only way to get access to the hidden ones is with third party software like rockbox, or using the recovery mode + imxtools. This is intentional, the firmware tries to prevent you from messing with its internals by preventing USB access.

My main point was that if data that is indexed is not removed through any method THAT in itself

could potentialy be a problem…

Imagine you had files on your hard drive that would never be removed no matter what you did etc

You get what im driving at ?

I think there is a misconception around here that restoring to factory defaults

does exactly that when in fact it does NOT

That i was trying to point out for people having issues.

I can’t be the only one that noticed this…

Anyway i have no idea what imxtools is, sounds interesting

It has been so long since  the last firmware updated, I am starting to wonder if SanDisk is working on frimware updates or features.  It could be that what we have is all we are going to get.

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If this firmware is all we are going to get then I will start looking for another MP3 player. I bought this mainly for audiobooks which the box advertised as doing. What a misleading statement. The player itself is solid and would work well if it had some decent firmware. I am sure all of you that has bought one of these know of the many problems so I won’t go through that but I believe that most could be fixable. It seems that Sandisk has forgot about their customers.

The Fuze+ has been out for 1.5 years, and while most Sandisk players are discontinued after 2 years so theres probably not too much new stuff coming.

I am unable to download the Sansa Media Converter.

I have a Sansa Fuze+ with 4GB of hard disk space. I downloaded the firmware updater last year and updated to 02.38.06 and downloaded the Media Converter just fine.

Recently I reformatted my laptop so I lost the media converter, so I downloaded the firmware updater (currently it says 1.304 while my Sansa is already 02.38.06) again. But when I try to update again, it says that the update service is not available.

Any ideas? Thanks in advance

@changsho wrote:

I am unable to download the Sansa Media Converter.

 

I have a Sansa Fuze+ with 4GB of hard disk space. I downloaded the firmware updater last year and updated to 02.38.06 and downloaded the Media Converter just fine.

 

Recently I reformatted my laptop so I lost the media converter, so I downloaded the firmware updater (currently it says 1.304 while my Sansa is already 02.38.06) again. But when I try to update again, it says that the update service is not available.

 

1.304 is the Updater’s version number, not your player’s firmware. You already have the latest firmware version (02.38.06) so no, the Updater won’t find anything newer.

You don’t need the Sansa Media Converter. You can use any converter program you find fits your needs the best. A lot of people like video4fuze.

in response to firmware update comments earlier…

i said the same thing recently and people told me i was full of it…

the updates were coming on a regular basis for ages but i havn’t seen one in a long time now

lookin like were gettin to the end of the line

I put Rockbox on my Fuze Plus today.

http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SansaFuzePlusPort

Bottom of page under Alternative method I downloaded two files, the bootloader and the rockbox build.

Next I connected my Fuze to my machine, then extracted the downloaded zips to the root of the Fuze.

When I restarted the Fuze I had a menu to explore. I went into Database and allowed it to build.

I shuffled all my songs and started playing.

Amazingly, the device turns off and on within seconds. Awesome surprise. I managed to crash the device when I attempted to explore the radio function. Held down the power button, everything came right back. I suspect Rockbox will just get more and more awesome, and the wait isn’t likely to drag on. It’s usable and probably improving by the day.

Rockbox for the Fuze Plus is still in development but it seems quite usable to me for listening to music. Stop holding your breath on Sansa and load up Rockbox. I’m glad I did.

How long should it take the database to initialize?

@njones wrote:

How long should it take the database to initialize?

Depends on how many files it has to read.

For my Fuze+, I keep the expansion memory limited to 4GB; refresh times are pretty fast, under 30 seconds at the most following transfers of housekeeping tasks.  Your refresh time is shorted using MTP mode (the device also limits database refresh to sessions having an actual file transfer, rather than every time it’s plugged in).

Clean images and ID3 tags speeds up the process quite a bit.

Rockbox has the cool function of updating the database in the background, a functionality I’d personally welcome in the original firmware.  One can always dream…

Bob  :stuck_out_tongue:

I was overly enthusiastic about Rockbox a few posts back. After using it for awhile I generally boot into Sansa mode. Hopefully Rockbox improves enough to be better than the Sansa firmware. At the present time that’s not the case. Charging doesn’t work right with Rockbox, and usability is limited.

@ezagent wrote:

Charging doesn’t work right with Rockbox, and usability is limited.

Are you sure? http://git.rockbox.org/?p=rockbox.git;a=commit;h=f7f1f7023f94a0c1f00033235f0f9d9ab51a1b3f Should be implemented and no one else has mentioned it not working.

How do you install the latest version of Rockbox on the fuze+? Does the RB utility work yet?

@njones wrote:

How do you install the latest version of Rockbox on the fuze+? Does the RB utility work yet?

Wouldn’t it be quicker just to check the Rockbox site?

http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/TargetStatus#New_Platforms_Currently_Under_De

I don’t know where Rockbox for the Fuze Plus is discussed but to answer the question, am I sure about charging and useability, my experience has been that charging is incredibly slow. I haven’t reached a hundred percent with the wire attached while booted into Rockbox. And I can’t say I’ve experimented with charging enough to comment definitively.

While using the player booted into Rockbox the touchpad is difficult to figure out, I’ve had the experience of menus scrolling virtually out of control, looping into sub-menus and general mayhem. I definitely prefer to charge booted into Sansa, and in general I prefer Sansa. Hopefully Rockbox development continues with regular updates and quickly surpasses 2.38.06. For the time being, in my opinion, Rockbox for the Fuze Plus is interesting but not ready for primetime consumption. Not that it claims to be either.

Charging WAS mentioned before as NOT working on their site

but wether its been fixed in a newer build i have no idea… i still havn’t tried rockbox

And to the guy asking how long it takes to load, obviously it depends on how much it has to load etc…

Which is why i have but do NOT use my micro sd card. My 8 gig player has more than enough.

The aditional time it takes to load up the memory card is not worth the extras space to me

So i’d have to say my player loads pretty fast… no complaints here

I have no problems with the firmware, but, i wouldn’t mind it going by the album artist under artist, instead of going by the individual songs artist. Because, I have a few albums that are various artist, but under the artist menu all the songs are put in their own artist selection.

For example: I have Punk Goes Pop Volume 4, which is a Various Artist album. But instead of the player putting it in Various artist it has them all separate. Like the August Burns Red selection has just the one song off of Punk Goes Pop. But I’d like it to be under various artists. I want to know who did the song, but I want all of the songs to be together in the artist menu.

I think if the player went off of the “album artist” instead of the songs artist it would fix the problem.