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SanDisk Guru
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Registered: ‎09-13-2008

Re: Sandisk Clip Sport audiobook problem

Space isn't really a problem though, except for the internal memory on the Clip Sport, as when using 256kbps or higher bitrate one probably won't get near the 2,000 file limit. I bought Some Sandisk 32GB class 4 micro SDHC cards recently for around $13 each. As for using variable bitrate mp3 files, I haven't tested it, however I have a feeling that they may consume more battery power than constant bitrate files around the same sound quality. I also haven't tested the claim that 192kbps average variable bitrate mp3 files sound as good as 256kbps constant bitrate ones. When I did tests years ago, I had trouble distinguishing between 256kbps mp3 files and 320 kbps ones, so I chose 256kbps. If I was ripping CDs now though, I would use 320kbps since storage space is very cheap now. Even now,not all devices support variable bitrate playback. Years ago when I ripped many CDs I decided to avoid variable bitrate since not all devices support variable bitrate files, and many that did then had plenty of glitches in playing them. I still wonder about battery life differences between playback of constant bitrate and variable bitrate files.

 

As for hearing differences between files, see how well you do on this test.

 

http://www.npr.org/sections/therecord/2015/06/09/412271433/audio-quality-quiz-results-you-did-slight...

SanDisk Guru
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Registered: ‎12-11-2007

Re: Sandisk Clip Sport audiobook problem

Yep, took that test years ago and I "flunked" it royally.  Convincing me that a lower (but still good) bitrate was just fine, for me. 

SanDisk Guru
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Re: Sandisk Clip Sport audiobook problem

I got 4 out of 6 right, however that was in a quiet room, at relatively high volume, and not really listening to the music, but concentrating just on the high frequencies for any clues of compression. On a portable player, at low volumes, and with portable headphones, especially in a noisy environment using open earphones, I would likely do very poorly on the test. 

SanDisk Guru
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Re: Sandisk Clip Sport audiobook problem

I still always wonder, though, how much our brains hear in an overall picture/impression/subconsciously.

SanDisk User
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Registered: ‎12-04-2009

Re: Sandisk Clip Sport audiobook problem


JK98 wrote:

Rather than blaming Sandisk, you should blame Audible. I don't know why they need to use such huge files for audiobooks, and why they can't break up an Audiobook into a number of files. i don't use audiobooks, but do download podcasts. Many that I download are already at 32kbps, but those that are at a higher bitrate I convert down to 32kbps before putting them on my player. There is no need for high bitrates for spoken word files. For music a bitrate of 256kbps or 320 kbps is recommended. For voice files though, 32kbps mono is fine.


I'm not defendng Audible, but want to point out a few aspects where audiobooks are likely to differ from podcasts. Audiobooks do frequently have music at either the beginning and end or sometimes as chapter separaters or for chage of perspective such as point of view. There is also the category of "performance" audiobook where sound effects (gunshots, doors slamming, explosions, etc.) are liberally added. More importantly, for those not familair with audiobooks, they are more than merely spoken words. Narrators will vary pitch, tone, pace with a unique "voice" for each character in the story. Other sounds like screaming, groaning, whistling are also rendered. Really good narrators (this is a definite skill) can even inflect their voice to indicate whether the person is thinking or speaking when "he said" is not inserted. I have no idea how all this would be impacted by reduction to 32 kbps mono. 

 

As far as multiple files goes, this was standard in the early years when downloads of even 10's of MB could take hours (I go back to the days of 1200 baud being fast). I much prefer a single file.

Newbie
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Registered: ‎07-14-2016

Re: Sandisk Clip Sport audiobook problem files out of order

The easiest way I always got around file sequence problems was to merge the entire book into one file. Problem solved, I use Free MP3 Joiner and tag all my books in properties as "BOOKS". I Also normall merge 2 books together so when one ends it starts the next without manipulating the player. This is better when on the bike, hiking, etc. In a novel series I'll merge books 1&2, then 2&3, etc. switching to the next in line when I get a chance at the completion of the other. This single file also make fast forwarding or rewind very easy, no switching between files when it's all one. When tagging your books in properties, the only tag I leave is the title, album and duration, wipe everything else to make sure there is nothing extraneous to force it into a different folder. I have a lot more advice for these Sansa Players. Sansa, get rid of the Sport and revive the Zip.

SanDisk Guru
Posts: 8,152
Registered: ‎12-11-2007

Re: Sandisk Clip Sport audiobook problem files out of order


skeetpick wrote:

I have a lot more advice for these Sansa Players. Sansa, get rid of the Sport and revive the Zip.


I don't necessarily disagree with you--I'm still waiting for the Uber Clip--but unfortunately, the manufacturer of the chip used in the original Clip thru Zip line killed the chip off, leading to the more, um, limited chip used in the Sport and Jam.   ;(

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Registered: ‎07-14-2016

Re: Sandisk Clip Sport audiobook problem

I don't know why user don't just circumvent the file problem by merging. With all my audio books, I use Freemake to convert the files down to 32kpbs (quality is just fine) to minimize file size for my player, then join/merge the files in the same pass. Now I have one small file for the entire book. This also makes fast forwarding and rewind much easier because it's all one file, you don't have to close a file then reopen another. Then by using properties, under the details tab,  you can tag it any way you want. What I do on the player is label a folder under audiobooks just "BOOKS" then make sure all of my audiobook files are tagged "BOOKS" in the album slot. I then blank out all the other tags except "title", and "length", as you really don't need any more. Then, all of my single file audiobooks wind up uner "BOOKS" in the Audiobook main folder. This works perfectly on the clip+ and clip zip, and I'm getting ready to buy and experiment with a clip sport to see if I can work around many of the new problems created by Sandisk.

SanDisk Guru
Posts: 8,152
Registered: ‎12-11-2007

Re: Sandisk Clip Sport audiobook problem


skeetpick wrote:

I don't know why user don't just circumvent the file problem by merging. With all my audio books, I use Freemake to convert the files down to 32kpbs (quality is just fine) to minimize file size for my player, then join/merge the files in the same pass. Now I have one small file for the entire book. This also makes fast forwarding and rewind much easier because it's all one file, you don't have to close a file then reopen another. Then by using properties, under the details tab,  you can tag it any way you want. What I do on the player is label a folder under audiobooks just "BOOKS" then make sure all of my audiobook files are tagged "BOOKS" in the album slot. I then blank out all the other tags except "title", and "length", as you really don't need any more. Then, all of my single file audiobooks wind up uner "BOOKS" in the Audiobook main folder. This works perfectly on the clip+ and clip zip, and I'm getting ready to buy and experiment with a clip sport to see if I can work around many of the new problems created by Sandisk.


Good ideas and solutions, all.   Smiley Happy

 

The only question I have is whether some books might get very big (even after the conversion), potentially causing some erratic player behavior.

Newbie
Posts: 3
Registered: ‎07-14-2016

Re: Sandisk Clip Sport audiobook problem files out of order

I think I have written your exact response to various forums many times. It seems such a simple solution to me, and obviously to you. Kudos!